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Common misconeption here, I think. MMOs take time, yes…Very visibly so.

So do ARPGs. How much time do you think it really took you to learn Grim Dawn? The mechanics, the options, the items…And can you really say you know them all?

And that’s just Grim Dawn. I came here from Path of Exile, where to this day there are beta players that don’t know all the mechanics, even the ones that play insane amounts of time. One of said players, streamer, famous for potent high end builds and being very in game rich…Blasting_Cap. When he made his SignalShot build, I asked him why he skipped the + Arrow corruption, in a build that ran Barrage…It was because he didn’t know how Barrage interacted with + Arrow. And he’s been playing daily - for years.

TLDR:
ARPGs have the same time requirement as MMOs, they just don’t look like it. MMOs, that time is spent IN the game. ARPGs, that time is spent outside it, trying to understand it.

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I have to disagree with you. What distinguisses a MMO from an ARPG is the MMO part. You get the full experience of a MMORPG when playing with others, raiding, etc… Sometimes you also have some deep learning curve…

Whereas in Arpgs, you can be a casual like me. I know pretty much everything there is to know about D2 mechanics, but I didn’t really bother to know that much about GD… Because I’m just having some fun while playing SP.

Imo, in a MMO you just can’t have a good experience going solo, you must have to play it with the MMO “mindset”. hehe

Ofc, for others, Lineage eternal, Lost Ark and this one you suggested will be fun as hell and considered an ARPG, but not for me :stuck_out_tongue:

Sorry for any grammar issues, I’m from Brazil.

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I didn’t say there weren’t differences from MMOs to ARPGs. My point was merely that the time commitment is about the same, in the end, it’s just time spent in different ways.

Not that there aren’t some MMOs that force you to spend half your life on them, but not all MMOs are like that. Many MMOs you can play casually in and enjoy it just as much.

As for learning curve, I would have to argue that that is a much bigger issue in ARPGs then MMOs, simply because if you’ve played one MMO…You’ve seen the mechanics and function of basically all of them. ARPGs, though…They all calculate things differently, focus on different pieces and parts. With ARPGs, you’re learning new mechanics every time, new skill trees, new ways to make a build within new limits. Every ARPG is different enough that you’re learning a whole new game almost.

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Best online + hardcore + character building ARPG = Path of Exile

Best single-player + storyline + atmosphere ARPG = Grim Dawn (duh!) (and runner-up for character building)

Great single-player + storyline + astmophere ARPG = Van Helsing (get Final Cut version, skip the rest - it has all of them in one plus bug fixes/features!)

Honorable mentions:
Borderlands 1 & 2
Lord of the Rings: War in the North
Torchlight II (with synergies mod)
and Mount & Blade (because it fits into many genres and is the best game of all time…)

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huh, this kinda invalidates the rest of your post :wink:

Also, do not get Final Cut, stick with VH1 and VH2. They reworked the skills with VH3 and FC, making each class a lot worse.

Found the whole thing too repetetive though, so stopped after the first missions of VH2. Constantly swarmed by a sea of indistinguishable (skill/threat wise) mobs…

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Skills and loot killed Van helsing for me

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That’s your opinion. If you owned the original Trilogy you get the final cut for free. So buy the originals and you will own both. then let each person decide which one is best for them, if they are interested in this game.

Edit: I am not sure if you still get FC for free if you buy the original. I do not know if that was for a short time only or if it will always be. Check and see BEFORE you buy if you want FC to make sure it still is free.

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of course it is my opinion :wink:

It certainly is not my opinion only, just look at the reviews on the VH3 Steam page

I have yet to find someone who thinks the skills of VH3 / FC were an improvement.

To save you the hassle, here are the beginnings of some of the first showing up

If you enjoyed the first two games in this series, stop. This is not a pleasant red pill to swallow.

Absolutely terrible game considering the two previous incarnations were very good.

As a fan of the first two games in this series, I am disappointed. You can’t import your character as expected because of the entirely reworked skill tree and class system. The skill trees have been significantly dumbed down, many abilities are gone, auras are pointless, and each class now only has one combat style with no more switching between ranged and melee combat.

VHS 3 promises more classes compared to the previous game however it feels more like the fact that the skill tree from the previous 2 games were torn apart and and placed in different “classes” Instead of having the freedom to build your character the way you want, it is much more restricted due to the little amount of skills, out of which majority of them are useless.

I am not cherry picking here, I went with the first reviews that show up under ‘most helpful’, all of which are negative…

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At least you can get 1-70 in 30 seconds XD

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Because we all know how accurate Steam reviews are, right? A lot of people hated the first Diablo game too. It means nothing. Everybody has different tastes. Just because some, most, or even ALL “reviews” say a game is bad, doesnt mean it is for everyone. You specifically told people not to buy it. If you had merely stated your opinion and didn’t do that, I would have nothing to say about it. I told people to look into buying the original and maybe still get the FC for free, that way they can decide for themselves. Do you tell people not to eat foods you don’t like? Or should they try it themselves and decide? I have ZERO problem with you not liking the skills in the FC. It’s a valid point. But I DO have an issue with telling people not to buy it. Some people might like it better in the FC than the original.

Oh. And the overall “reviews” of that game are MIXED. Not mostly negative. Not mostly positive. Exactly why people have to try it for themselves.

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you are welcome to come up with a better system that is not just ‘I have a different opinion’ or ‘reviews are pointless, everyone needs to try it’.

Metacritic user scores go from 8.2 (VH1) to 7.6 (VH2) to 6.4 (VH3) as well. Personally I think they are all a bit generous, deduct about 1 point imo, but that is where different tastes come in (see below)

Everybody has different tastes. Just because some, most, or even ALL “reviews” say a game is bad, doesnt mean it is for everyone… You specifically told people not to buy it.

Yes, everybody has different tastes, but when most reviews agree, then chances are most people also would not like it.

I stand by it, if you want to try VH, go with 1 and 2 and ignore that the rest exists. 3 and FC are both considerably worse.

I did not say do not buy any VH because they are crap, some people will like them, some won’t. That is a matter of taste. If you like ARPGs enough, be my guest, but (pretty much) no one will prefer 3 or FC over 1 and 2.

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No, he’s right, do NOT buy FC. It is a disgrace to the first two, on many levels.

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I did not say do not buy any VH because they are crap, some people will like them, some won’t. That is a matter of taste. If you like ARPGs enough, be my guest, but (pretty much) no one will prefer 3 or FC over 1 and 2.

What if I don’t like VH1 or 2, will I like VH3 or FC? Loooool

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Except for the fact that “most” reviews do not agree with you. Some do. Some don’t. But please don’t let actual facts get in your way. And I also never said to buy FC or that anybody would prefer 3 or FC over 1 and 2. I said check into if you still get it free and try it. Doesn’t cost anything but some time. that’s all. Don’t know why you can’t comprehend this. But I’m done wasting time with you.

My wife made baked haddock for dinner. Should I eat it? Do you like it? If you don’t obviously I won’t either. I mean a lot of people don’t like fish so it’s gonna suck right?

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yeah, but there still is a clear trend there

VH1: 5274 reviews, 4999 positive ~95%
VH2: 1693 reviews, 1062 positive ~62%
VH3: 492 reviews, 280 positive ~57%

so the reviews agree with me VH3 ( and FC by extension) is the worst. VH1 and 2 were better.

And I also never said to buy FC or that anybody would prefer 3 or FC over 1 and 2. I said check into if you still get it free and try it. Doesn’t cost anything but some time.

last I checked the games are not free, and if you try FC and do not like it, it does not mean you might not have liked VH1, that was the case for plenty of people, hence the reviews

I replied to a post that said ‘get Final Cut version, skip the rest’, not sure what is so hard to understand about that part for you.

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Sigh. 280 didn’t like it, 217 did. Again, let them try it for themselves and reach their own conclusion. It’s really so simple. Please TRY to grasp it. Come on little engine, you can do it!!

What was that again you were saying? Sorry, despite the mighty opinion you have of yourself, what you say ISN"T gospel.

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And you said get one VH1 & VH2, then skip the rest. I don’t agree with either of those statements. I know you have a hard time accepting that someone disagrees with you, but please try. It’s ok to admit when you are wrong. In fact, you will find even more people will find you easier to deal with. You are NOT wrong in saying that 3 and the FC aren’t as good as 1 & 2. You’re wrong in telling people to skip it. What is so bad about them finding out for themselves if it doesn’t cost them anything. Again i am ONLY saying IF you still can get it free. ( see link above if you STILL dispute this) Why do you disagree with this so vehemently? I cannot for the life of me understand why.

Oh, and please try to be consistent. In the exact same post, you claim that if all reviews are in agreement, it must be true, but then show review scores, and then dispute them, saying in your opinion they are too high. So just so myself and everybody else here is CRYSTAL clear, if the reviews are negative, you agree with them, and therefore are accurate. If they are positive , you do not, ignore them as they are “a bit generous”. Does that about sum it up? And you also conveniently ignored me about dinner. I ate it anyways. It was fantastic. But please keep using the shovel to dig deeper. Your hole. Not mine.

And I just want to share something. Years ago, a game was released. I tried the demo. Didn’t really care for it. Didn’t hate it. Didn’t like it. All my gaming friends hated it ALL of them. Well. Except one. He liked it. A lot. Kept talking about it. Told him I had no interest in it. Finally one day he hands me a copy of it. He went out and bought it for me and gave it to me. i installed it and gave it some time, like I promised him I would. I LOVED it. We played MP on it for HOURS. Two of us worked together and we were always exhausted as sometimes we were up until 2 in the morning playing, and work started at 7:30. Great times. That game was the original Diablo. To this day, I play almost exclusively ARPG’s. Unless the reviews are OVERWHELMINGLY negative, and ALL different review sites are in agreement, I tell people to ignore those and ignore telling all to not play it. I tell them try it for themselves. I always will. (And MIXED reviews means not all are in agreement.) So you can keep telling people not to try it if you wish. I will keep telling them TO try it. Even if only 10 out of 100 actually like it and only 1 LOVES it, to me it’s worth it. To tell people not to try something for themselves, again, IF not all or the over-whelming majority agree,(57% is a majority, but not over-whelming) is doing them a terrible dis-service.

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I love van helsing and I wish more arpg will have the cool tornado spell (from the elementalist).

The problem is its the only game like this where if you panic exit the game in a tricky situation, when you enter back it will put you in the same exact spot.
Not rly good for hardcore.

Also the game is too scripted. Too bad they completely abandoned it but its a good think they delayed the warhammer arpg

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Exanima (Sui Generis) just got an update that added outdoor arenas, better lighting and combat refinements plus more, working up to the full Sui Generis.

A quite different approach to (a)rpg, completely physics based world and combat.

Takes some getting used to the combat but nothing like Die By The Sword hard!

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do you generally understand what you are reading ? That free copy is for owners of VH1 to VH3, so you spend $45 on all three parts or on the FC itself, either way it is not free.

I agree you should buy 1-3 IF this offer still exists AND you want to play FC.

And you said get one VH1 & VH2, then skip the rest. I don’t agree with either of those statements. I know you have a hard time accepting that someone disagrees with you

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you severely overestimate how important it is for me that you agree with me. I really do not care if you agree or not

You are NOT wrong in saying that 3 and the FC aren’t as good as 1 & 2.

something we can agree on then :wink:

Oh, and please try to be consistent. In the exact same post, you claim that if all reviews are in agreement, it must be true, but then show review scores, and then dispute them, saying in your opinion they are too high.

I am absolutely consistent, you seem to have trouble understanding things that are not the most basic however, even when you already pointed them out yourself…

As you said, people have different tastes, which is why I said I agree with the trend but would rate them a bit lower, I even said that this was because of my taste, so not sure how you managed to miss that.

What the reviews / scores in general agreed on was that VH1 was best and 2 and 3 got consecutively worse (3 by a lot). That is what the scores show. That will by and large be true for everyone who plays them. Even you agree with it after all…

Just how much you like each game in general depends on personal taste, as you constantly point out. So I am not sure why you cannot comprehend that I also have a personal taste that does not exactly match the scores but does follow their trend, even when I point that out. Too complex for you ?

So just so myself and everybody else here is CRYSTAL clear, if the reviews are negative, you agree with them, and therefore are accurate. If they are positive , you do not, ignore them as they are “a bit generous”.

no, you are clueless, read above

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You say that like it’s a bad thing… failing at DBtS combat was at least as much fun as succeeding, at least when viewed through nostalgia goggles. :wink: