V1.1.9.X Discussion - March of the Memes

[Monceaux]

I would love some pierce vines. It’s not really meme material as I can foresee some OP builds but that would make some fun trickster casters

[Zantai]

@eisprinzessin

How about items, which change a true pet into a player scaling entity and vice versa? Broken balance guaranteed?

Definitely not touching that with a 10 foot pole.

@Norzan

What i’m getting from Zantai’s post is that he wants ideas that match the damage types from the conduits. And since Shaman has no fire conduit, it means no fire wendigo totem and storm totem for that matter (which is a shame because i wanted fire storm totem).

Wut?

We’re talking about adding new rolls on the Conduits, not doubling up on modifiers on existing options.

[Norzan]

@Zantai

Wut?

We’re talking about adding new rolls on the Conduits, not doubling up on modifiers on existing options.

Lol i thought each one meant a new mod for already exisitng conduit mods.

That means fire Storm Totem. Get on that, please.

[Maska322]

@Norzan

fire Storm Totem

Fire Storm Totem. Fire Totem? Firestorm Totem!? A Totem that casts meteor rains!?!
Add that conduit please!

[Snazzblaster]

Just dropping in here to say we need a conduit that supports all of the amazing poop items out there, with some nice brown fx.

[Norzan]

I can definitely see Rancor becoming something if pierce Vines are a thing. lol

now i want it

[fordprefect]

1. Fire Storm Box of Elgoloth, not sure where to add though. And if adding extra -%15 RR sounds too much addition to AoC, it can provide 20-25 flat RR.

2. Acid Fire Strike, obviously for Saboteurs and dual-wield melee. A conduit should solve this, maybe some FS points on one or two acid items.

3. Vitality Forcewave, Spectral Warmaul can be adjusted for this one, or even Obsidian Cleaver(since it’s chaos stat doesn’t really help anything)

4. Vitality ABB.(sounds good but only for support ofc, like lightning ABB skill points can’t be gathered )

5. Lightning Blade Arc, it’s surely easier to build than lightning forcewave…

6. Lightning Bone Harvest, it can be combined with Veilkeeper.

Edit: Mythical Soulthief;

Since Oathkeeper has elemental resist now; and the ‘‘elemental awakening’’ points on the weapon are basically useless; it may have RF skill points, maybe someone can make a DW melee elemental Templar or Paladin.

[Shadowpast]

Prolly should have took a nap before I posted my previous nonsense.

This would be the thing I would like to see most, more specifically changing blight fiends to player scaling so I can make a proper non pet scaled exploding pets.

Physical wind devils

Fire Storm Box as mentioned

Acid phantasmal blades

Cold doom bolt

Personally would rather see more items like yugol relic, decree, oblivion, etc. and a proper item that allows some sort of hammerdin build
outside of a devotion proc and a set proc.

[forgottendogs]

the best sword in the game needs aether Forcewave, just saying…

[XandeRoot]

Not really on topic of conduits, but can something be done to Mythical Soullance? It’s a gun that tries hard to produce pew-pew by providing huge attack speed AND being a “caster” weapon by providing CDR. At the same time it supports the weirdest shit ever. Bloody Pox mod? Uh-kay? MoT mod is… fine, I guess? But +4 to Siphon Souls and SGoE? Really now. Haven’t seen this gun being used… ever? I tried to use it on Rotgheist vit PS Ritualist, but it turned out as a buncha turd, for the most part.

I honestly don’t know what treatment it could use, but I reckon someone here could have an idea. Someone who cares for that gun, that is.

I was imagining something among the lines of +2 to Shaman and/or some support to Savagery or Primal Strike. Like 20% weapon damage and 50% passthrough to Savagery / +1 meter radius and +n vitality damage to Primal Strike.

[MergosWetNurse]

Here’s another thing that IMO would make a great addition to Grim Dawn:

"Have you ever been crafting or farming for that one MI, epic or legendary item for countless hours, days, even weeks… only to be greeted by an absolute abomination with bottom roll conversions, damage, cooldown, speeds or resists?!"

"If the answer is yes, this change is for you!"

"Only at the meager cost of sacrificing your 1st, 2nd and 3rd born child to our lord and savior the ravager your wish might become a reality!"

Ok… jokes and memes aside.
I’m not sure if this is a thing to ask in here but I’ll do it anyways…
There’s truth to the joke I just made and that is indeed not being able to reroll the min-max values of items.
It would be great if this could become an option at the inventor at lets say for the cost of 1x celestial lotus, as an example.
It has always kinda bothered me that this option was never in the game tbh.
Would be extremly nice if something could be done about said issue in a future patch.

[Valinov]

I’ve wanted this for a long time… All we need is an item that adds weapon damage that isn’t bound to wild blood so we can use armor piercing to convert the flat. I’ve always that gutripper would be a good place to try it. 100% AP built in and relatedly lower weapon damage so not much room for abuse.

[Torzini]

Cold Dreeg’s Evil Eye?

Would give “icy glare” a new meaning

[Mondaqueras]

Aether Phantasmal Blades
Aether Mortar Trap
Aether Grenado
Acid Rune of Kalastor
Acid/Vitality Storm Box of Elgoloth
Aether Aegis of Menhir
Fire ABB
Aether Ring of Steel
Acid Canister Bomb
Lightning Reap Spirit
Pierce Doom Bolt
Pierce Callidor Tempest
Pierce Devastation

[Evil_Baka]

@MergosWetNurse

Acid Blackwater Cocktail

Would love to see this somewhere, or Acid Grenado/Canister Bomb. Even if it’s just a random reskin MI with conversion and +2 or +4 (for a 2-handed weapon) to Grenado/Canister Bomb/High Impact that does it.

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Acid Phantasmal Blades, some skill modifiers for conversion on Venomlance and skill bonus for it and Amarastan Bladethrower would fit pretty nicely I’d think but hell, if you think there’s a better/more fitting spot for it then go ahead.

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More ways of reducing the cooldown on Amarasta’s Blade Burst. Mainly for 2-handed weapons or dual-wield ranged as they benefit the most from it.

Most of the time you try to work around it as a major damage dealer, it doesn’t feel like enough of a singular defining damage skill* outside of few very specific cases like Amarastan Crusher users enabling it to be spammed and scale on attack speed, Venomblade users (which also grabs Righteous Fervor on Dervish) and Ugdenbog Bilelauncher users because of that fat cooldown reduction - both it and Venomblade also pile more weapon damage onto it. A lot of items currently add damage to it with Ilgorr’s Eternal Curse being a prime one, and it’s AoE is very nice, but in terms of single target clearance, it feels like it falls flat or is dependent on other places for it to pick up the slack.

* I say “singular defining damage skill” as it has long ago been thrown in and compared with other skills capable of standing on their own like some of the original AA replacers as a LMB skill which was derived from player use as a LMB attacking skill:

Nightblade

Amarasta’s Blade Burst is a cooldown skill, unlike the other three [Fire Strike, Cadence, Savagery], but it is often used as an LMB skill and triggered on cooldown between auto-attacks. Its strongest appeal is for the area of effect and crowd-control, which were buffed, and the intermittent auto-attacks will become stronger when paired with the buffed Lethal Assault.

Taken from: Grim Dawn Version 1.0.0.5 + Hotfix 1

I’d feel happier/more confident making characters for it if for example, Phasebreaker had -0.2 or -0.3s to Amarasta’s Blade Burst, or if another headgear besides Mythical Cowl of the Venomblade had -0.3s so that Fire, Cold, Lightning or Elemental Blade Burst users can all benefit from the lower cooldown as well.

I don’t feel like this raises it’s damage per second above skills like Savagery or Fire Strike but brings it to “satisfactory” levels while keeping it’s appeal as a constant stream of AoE and Freeze CC intact.

[x1x1x1x2]

I have three words for you Zantai.

Zero cooldown aegis.

[eardianm]

Big energy for zero cooldown aegis here too

[Strannik]

Pierce AAR - for absolute penetration!
Pierce Olexra’s Flash Freeze
Pierce Callidor Tempest
Pierce Devastation
Chaos Reckless Power
Ligthning Blade Arc - hey, we really need more options for melee lightning Warders !
Acid Grenado
Acid Phantasmal Blades - tried to make the build since vanilla times but it was meh
Chaos Ring of Steel
Cold Grasping Vines
Chaos Grasping Vines
Toxic Devouring Swarm
Pierce Wind Devil with RR mod
Pierce Storm Totem ?

[Mornay]

@Snazzblaster

Just dropping in here to say we need a conduit that supports all of the amazing poop items out there, with some nice brown fx

Brown Eye of Reckoning thanks to Soiled Trousers

A Noxious Fumes Totem that vomits thanks to Cauldron of Excitement

A Blade Spirit that flips off all your enemies thanks to Finger of Gar’Dalvur

[vlan]

@Zantai

The main driver of such builds has historically been the series of Conduit necklaces

The roster we have now is interesting but we definitely have some pain points. For example, there is absolutely 0 support for Cold Forcewave besides the conduit. I can’t find a single item with %cold damage and +Forcewave. I guess there’s elemental… but even physical forcewave isn’t great. Now imagine cold.

@Zantai

and the goal here is to add one or two new options to each one

Did someone say wish list?

• Cold doom bolt
• Cold reap spirit with chance to freeze. PLEASE. (Alkamos has this skill)
• Actually, just add chance to freeze for existing cold conduits. And stun for lightning, petrify for acid, etc.
• Conduit buffs with % chance of 100% CDR. Such as Bloodlord’s blade for Possession but for other classes