Why keep bringing things up? It has already been explained. Some people just don’t know when to accept an explanation and keeping beating that dead horse.
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uhm… how about no? how about you take your shill account somewhere else… with your 4 post one could think you are a crate employee that created a forum account just to give some fake legitimacy to this whole mess.
i don’t care if YOU don’t care because judging from other replies in here i’m not the only one that wants that damn game DRM FREE right about … a few days ago… or should i say years? i believe the game will be on its way when i can actually download and play it. right about now we only got crates word and we all know how much that is worth.
btw the only reason i keep replying is because people obviously WANT me to. otherwise you’d just ignore me?
There are maybe a couple dozen posters that wanted the drm free in this thread… the other… what? Hundreds? Are waiting patiently and not posting cause they read the postings from crate. Only a few of you are left posting and reposting about this.
Do like the hundreds of silent backers right now and wait patiently knowing it will come and don’t need to continue posting for no reason
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how is that a trap ? If you used the DRM free version the same would apply to it
And even refunded it won’t be with morale damages and interests…
it never is…
i don’t get why you keep telling me what to do? didn’t you realize at this point that you are aggravating me? i mean it’s quite possible you are doing this on purpose but i’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are just a naive simpleton.
i bet just because billions of people didn’t take part in occupy wall street it was worthless noise and they better well should have shut up? or maybe all the rights movements in the past were pointless exercises because only a handful of people actually did most of the work while others stood by in silence and watched the martyrs die while they reaped the rewards.
i think you might get the picture by now. there will (and should) always be a vocal and active (at least) minority that question decisions and speak their mind. otherwise you’d not have the privilege to be outraged about my temper tantrums.
well… i guess i’ll leave it at that. i’ve calmed down and will just wait and see what happens in the next two weeks. if all goes well i’ll be enjoying the game. if not… i will be back… and with a fury. so long suckers…
So, you are comparing this to activist movements for rights? LMAO. I am done. I can’t take anymore of this. I can’t stop laughing how you compare this to something on such a large scale. Wow.
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Wow, all this drama just because the game is delayed for 1 week instead of months which is typical for any new release these days. Should I start complaining about the expansion that I paid and still waiting for since the the Kickstarter?
There are 8000 concurrent players on Steam while there are like maybe a handful of you DRM-free fanatics giving shit to a 8-person developer that actually care about getting the DRM free version out to everyone as soon as possible. No wonder most developers don’t even care to cater to that part of the community.
To those that actually demanded that the game not to be released until the DRM-free version is ready, consider how many of fanatics out there compared to those that either don’t care or considerate and reasonable enough to wait for just 1 week for the DRM-free version to be delivered.
“Steam is evil, I won’t use it with their DRM policy”. Meanwhile use google everyday. Nice one guys keep up the good spirit.
Why wouldn’t he compare it to such.
Monopolization is a concern enough for most developed countries to have laws about, same with civil rights and consumer protections.
You think it’s funny because people take it seriously and you don’t.
That’s your prerogative, but it does not mean you are correct in your inference that there is not discrimination going on.
Companies themselves are openly admitting it when they say oh, but your only 10% of our market (not taking into account that not caring about that market actually influences people to not be in it and thus making the statistic irrelevant for it’s purpose).
I mean what’s next?
If you want to put it into relevant context it’s like a game being released that only effects people running windows 8 & them just going meh` we don’t care if they have a functional product they are only 23% of our market.
It’s like a game with a huge single player component and advertised multiplayer being released without functioning matchmaking and going, oh it’s only an afterthought to our product anyways.
What the DRM Free crowd are actually doing is pointing out discrimination in the market and acting on it, because no relevant laws in consumer protection yet exist to cover them.
If you were disabled, but this did not prevent you from working and yet you could not get work because of it; you’d want there to be laws giving you a fair go in the job market wouldn’t you?
Thankfully people fought for those anti-discrimination laws and they didn’t have your wet blanket ideals at heart.
They we’re vocal, they were rational with their arguments and they exerted consistent pressure that there was a need for reform.
You say this is not something large scale; but arguably it does not have just to do with crate it’s actually to do with consumers in the free market system as well as the idea of currency.
In essence & not to lecture you too long and hard on the point as I don’t feel you deserve my time or effort with your attitude; the argument is that there is no protection and ample discrimination in the economic system where it comes to products (including software) as evidenced by the fact that a cost (which is not specific to each individual and their relation to the business [in this instance crate]) for goods/services (software) are amended to it’s specific ‘value’ after the fact based on each individuals ascribed ‘value’ by their relation (which customer pool) to the business.
This discrimination should not exist, people go to work for an ascribed value of money (the US dollar, the Australian dollar, etc.), this money is used to purchase goods/services at a set rate (set by the company), & that good/service is supplied in it’s complete state (for example with a bank that has a set interest rate this rate does not fluctuate and is part of it’s contractual agreement of service; for retail white-goods you buy a specific product and it’s not some lesser cheaper brand they decide to give you cause you look shifty, it’s the product you bought).
What though is happening here is perhaps not a change in product per se, but the terms that were agreed upon as stipulated by the first party (crate) to the second party (donators) in order to get them to invest in the product (software); & unlike my prior example of retail white-goods the stipulated terms are being arbitrarily changed based in this case with a perceived value a customer represents WHEN THEY ARE PAYING THE SAME MONEY FOR THE SAME PRODUCT UNDER THE SAME AGREEMENT.
If they didn’t want the DRM-Free crowd to fund them it was a simple thing to leave it out on kickstarter & something they should have done.
Not stipulated that no, your money’s good we’ll be treating you as just another part of this venture, here’s the specifics of what buying into us entails everyone.
That is why everyone on the DRM Free bandwagon has the right to be pissed off, because they ARE being discriminated against as some sort of lesser party with less valuable money.
It is a big issue with this industry and like most of the biggest issues it arises where relevant law does not currently effectively cover.
Aicus you say we are a handful of people and I would call you out on a fact check.
Have you actually done the numbers, can you reference where you have found that the DRM Free crowd only consists of at most 7 people.
Even with your woefully abstract assumption of there being 8000 steam patrons, with an equally laughable 10% representation (roughly by memory from an earlier post by crate staff on this very forum) that still puts the amount of people impacted in only this one instance of discrimination at 800 (that’s ten percent for you who can’t count).
Yes many will sit there and take it cause hey after all at least they’re still getting the product… so far; but the more vocal posts are because of the growing prevalence of this form of discrimination by people who actually care about something being done about it.
If you don’t think that we are more than a handful, take a history lesson form America’s civil war about a contentious issue and consult the three percenters (in summary at any one time through this revolution there was only about 3% of Americans doing anything about it [can you honestly say there we’re people who thought change was a good idea but did not effectively act to create change?])
My point is this you don’t give a shit cause your happy, good for you move on; being dismissive of us doesn’t change the fact that a) what we are doing is right (justifiably so as I proved), b) necessary for change in the industry to occur (either behaviorally or the influence the community plays in creating laws mandating change) , & lastly c) something of actual importance overall (as far as the litmus test of governmental concern [consumer rights & protections & discrimination]).
Fantastic Illiousintahl!
I know how it is, sometimes some people are so dumb than even though you know they don’t deserve your time, explanations, because it is a futile endeavor as there likely won’t be any even partial understanding on their part; but it has to be done sometimes like other things in life.
Now after all that’s been said by "Smart"sAJ and pals; Smart whose internet persona based on what he wrote in this thread on this site’s forum can be described as idiotic, short-sighted and I dare say perhaps no sight at all well they’ve been put in their place even though they don’t realize it by some articulate and exemplary postings.
So thanks for your contribution on the issue at hand, some people and me too have greatly enjoyed it! It is never ALL in vain 
I love how the silent majority just so happen to back your position! How convenient!
You are the one wasting your time posting in a thread that is of no concern to you personally. You should consider evaluating the reason behind that.
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The game was not delayed. It was released, but only for some people. This is the problem.
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There is no correlation or relevance to the expansion, which by definition, would come later. Just that fact that you think that this is somehow comparable shows that either you realize you don’t have a real argument or you truly believe it to be a strong argument, which scares me.
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You think that because some people or a majority are happy, that it is still acceptable? This is really a valid argument in your head? There was no mention in the kickstarter for a delayed release for DRM free. They had 4 years to prepare. If they couldn’t fulfill it for everyone equally, it should have been delayed equally. That is called being professional. 4 YEARS to prepare… and they admitted that in a year’s time, they couldn’t get the contract in place. That isn’t acceptable. If they couldn’t get it in place, then they should have delayed until they could.
Rant more.
There is a difference between unable to access a product due to legitimate issues and refuse to acknowledge the completion of a product out of some principle. You and the few that keep on ranting here is the latter.
The fact that you take my expasion comparison seriously instead of treating it as plain sarcasm really boggles my mind and scares me what else you believe is true.
A simple, straightforward purchase and service agreement with 1 single solution provider can take up to months to finalize and iron out all the fine details to prevent any ambiguous scenario from cropping up in the future. So 1 year to finalize the agreement between multiple vendor (GoG, Humble and whatever alternative) and choose the best one that meets the requirement sounds about right.
And being professional means you ship out you product to the huge majority of your customers to satisfy the demand while continue to work to solve whatever demands the extreme minority has. You don’t delay a product because the extreme minority say they don’t like it and choose not to accept it. The fact that you think the game should be delayed for everyone because you and a few others CHOOSE not to accept the game in the current completed state shows how selfish, how skewed your view is and would be the person with the least capacity to criticize others as unprofessional.
From a legal standpoint…
Both during the Kickstarter campaign, and for the pre-orders through HumbleBundle, Crate set up certain conditions
(for Kickstarter, part of these conditions was “Download the full game upon release, direct from us, DRM free…”), for HumbleBundle,
part of those conditions was receiving a DRM-free download from HumbleBundle on release. The customer agreed to those conditions by making his purchase.
Now those conditions have changed. Me, I’ll happily accept a GoG key for my HumbleBundle pre-order (assuming that that is indeed what I will get,
as I still have no official word on how this will work for the HumbleBundle pre-orders).
Others may not be so happy with a GoG key. But because Crate has one-sidedly changed the conditions of the agreement, the customer (regardless if he is a Kickstarter of HumbleBundle customer), has the right to NOT accept those new conditions, and void the agreement.
Which means that he would be entitled to a full refund… even those who already used their beta key on Steam!
(so it is in Crate’s best interest to provide these people with a solution that they can accept).
Dude seek help 
Your clearly delusional at this point.
What a bunch of nonsense People like me prefer DRM Free games simply because there is no third party software involved that can create either additional problems or throw on limitations. It’s all about convenience, that few post (among this whole garbage discussion) explained earlier.
The thing is after Grim Dawn appears on GOG, Nothing stops Crate to release DRM Free game on Humble. At this point all we can do is wait and see what happens, ranting here leads to nowhere (I’m not saying you do that now, just others)
Being professional means delivering product to everyone at the same time. All Crate had to do (could be done even on day of release!) Upload to Humble Bundle release version of the game without Steamworks. This is nothing that would delay the final release at all. Many other developer done that, why couldn’t Crate?
We can’t be sure about that… we don’t know the conditions of Crate’s agreement with GOG… I guess there must be some pretty strict conditions in there, otherwise it wouldn’t have taken Crate so long to come to an agreement with GOG.
But for me, whether I have to download my DRM-free copy from HumbleBundle, from GOG or directly from this site… that’s all the same to me, as long as I can be sure that I get it.
really. this is your “argument”? are you willing to proof that your real life persona is not related to anyone on the crate team?
someone please tell me again why we can’t download the game from the crate site? i’m very willing to do the whole manual patching thing. if they can send it to gog they can upload it to mega share or some other site and just give me a download link and a checksum.
technically that is correct. like it is technically correct that i could just pirate the game and not pay a penny for it. i wonder how happy crate would have been, if i would have done that instead of backing the game… who of you suckers actually paid a premium to support crate from the start to make it all even possible to begin with? i guess most of you steam-is-great people just got it on the cheap without doing any heavy lifting.
honestly… with the way software companies treat their customers these days they basically beg them to pirate their products.
You can have a product be “complete”(Don’t know what that means for pc games really) and choosing to release it for only part of the customers, as promised.
They had more than 1 year.
“The fact that you take my expasion comparison seriously instead of treating it as plain sarcasm really boggles my mind and scares me what else you believe is true.”
You attempted out of hyperbole to discredit real arguments. It was pathetic that you thought that bringing it up, in any way, did anything aside from showing your agenda. So desperate that you will do anything to discredit people that have nothing to do with you. You are insecure to the nth degree. You also didn’t listen to the mods, who asked politely for people who don’t care about DRM free to refrain from posting. Time to look inward.