Alright. Good to know. Glad I have no problems with steam. Lol
The opposite can also be true, though… and regularly is. There are already several cases where the original developers/publishers no longer distribute their game (eg because of bankruptcy), but if you have the game on your GoG account, you can continue to download it from there… and the GoG team may even still release occasional updates/fixes. Let’s hope that this doesn’t happen, but at some point Crate could go bankrupt and their website could cease to exist, but your account on GoG, and the download there, would be safe. So while a third party distributor has some potential downsides, it also has some advantages.
And even if you should no longer agree with gog’s EULA or, for some reason, get banned from their site, then you would still have the downloaded version of the game on your PC, and that will remain yours. You just can’t download any updates anymore… but the same would apply on the Crate website… if you no longer agree with Crate’s EULA or if you get yourself banned from there, then you will also no longer have access to your account. But imho either situation is extremely hypothetical… I don’t know of a single user who ever got banned from GoG…
I don’t like Steam either… but note that Steam does have an offline mode now… though you’re still required to log in to play the game at least once, before you can use the offline mode.
Yet. You will care if you do in the future.
Don’t see why I would have any problems. Have never had problems in the 10 years with steam…
I didn’t either until one day last year. Steam survives because of the mentality that if it doesn’t affect me, then I shouldn’t care. If you ever have problems, you will have no customer support and be locked out of everything. Some people have a problem with this. Others don’t.
It is similar to the argument that you shouldn’t wear a seatbelt because you haven’t been in an accident before.
Sorry, but comparing safety to games is a bad comparison, IMO
It is about comparing risk. The argument is the same. If it hasn’t affected me yet, I don’t care and shouldn’t worry.
I just read through the OP, and this caught my eye, and it really stands out as… wow, to me. Just… wow. Medierra, you might be a great developer, but you’re seriously out of touch.
Steam always was DRM, and it’s always been the chief criticism against it, and GOG isn’t Galaxy. GOG has been leading non-DRM distribution for over 6 years, while Galaxy isn’t even a year old, and most users don’t even use it, for the same reasons they don’t use Steam. 
Originally Posted by SmartsAJ :::
Don’t see why I would have any problems. Have never had problems in the 10 years with steam…
Nah AJ is fine with Steam. There is no reason to discredit Steam to those that understand it and like it. We are not campaigning here for the No-DRM we just want what we expect/deserve/paid for and we Do NOT want to be trashed by other parties not involved in this. If you care, this is not the place to convert someone to a side. They know the “risk”. If they do not, well it has been made very clear to them by Steam they are not shady about it AT ALL!
It is clearly said and the users all agree to it - to paraphrase - if you have 10 games downloaded on your pc that are DRMed through our service (Steam), and you also have made multiple backups of all this data, if we terminate your Steam account, all your 10 pc games on your system downloaded from before will not function anymore and never will again (legally). You can restore your old backups a 100 times on 100 different machines, it will never work again. You have been terminated in accordance to everything you agreed to.
Also I address a recurring theme I’ve seen in several posts > if you’re not sure please make verifications if possible before posting stuff like this again > Oh I can play my Steam games no problem and the Internet in all my neighborhood is down > this would mean lol I go offline then Steam nukes my account > idc XD I play offline not logging in ever again hell not connecting the RJ-45 on this machine ever again! = no DRM here boys! (this is false) I will not explain how this works but the DRM is still functioning full-force when you unplug your ethernet cable or take the AC Power cable off from your wireless router. This is very easy to verify if you have nothing else to do right now. Your “privilege” to play your games WILL be terminated soonTM (grace period we could say) if you don’t come back online and report to steam. This is ‘sensitive’ information in our context here that there is no justifiable reason to discuss it here (the inner workings of the Steamworks DRM platform and the multiple “protocols” in place to allow the enforcement of the Steam agreement you agreed with). I have mentioned in a previous post that a DRM-platform can also distribute a no DRM product however all your 10 games in this example (they are good games profitable etc) are DRMed I can confirm.
GoG however offers all their games to be downloaded in a no DRM fashion that YOU can keep and WILL work until the end of times (GoG has imploded, Crate has become an intergalactic developer not supporting GD anymore cause it’s been a 1000 years give them a break) provided you maintain machines that have the components and binary language interpretation capacities to understand it and run it > maintain a pc with windows 7 for a thousand years etc.
Also if No-GoG! and you download a no DRM directly from Crate the extracted program will be the same DRM wise as the GoG no DRM one. The only difference will be instead of reading and seeing a logo >> you must accept this GoG EULA to continue (this is not DRM as explained in a post before) >> it will say: you must accept this Crate EULA to continue. The end product (that we bought with no DRM on from Crate in KS) and we download from GoG is DRM-free like if Crate made it and can be played in 1K years as demonstrated above while the Steam GD, supposing steam won’t last this long lol or care about this, is not playable in 1K years or as of whenever Steam bans you if they got a reason because you breeched the Steam agreement conditions. Now dayum I fear someone comes in and says damn SLR you got no clue if Steam goes down they will patch and deactivate ALL the Steamworks modules for everybody before imploding > OK yes maybe but it doesn’t matter as right now it is DRM and for a foreseeable future this is what concerns me and others and this is why we got our DRM free GD; what matters is for now::: you can’t play the GD as of whenever Steam bans you if they got a reason because you breeched the Steam agreement conditions. And btw this doesn’t mean this is the reason for me not using Steam, perhaps it’s another entirely, there are many.
Hey, new member here!
I’ve tried searching but i can’t find any info on if the loyalist rewards have been distributed yet. I got my key from humble already for the full game, but what about the will-o-the-wisp pet, powdered wig, etc?
I read the OP, but that was about 3 weeks ago. Just want to make sure I’m not missing them.
Thanks!
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?p=340899
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Originally Posted by SLR
It is clearly said and the users all agree to it - to paraphrase - if you have 10 games downloaded on your pc that are DRMed through our service (Steam), and you also have made multiple backups of all this data, if we terminate your Steam account, all your 10 pc games on your system downloaded from before will not function anymore and never will again (legally). You can restore your old backups a 100 times on 100 different machines, it will never work again. You have been terminated in accordance to everything you agreed to.
You have a point in that I maybe made it short and easy to understand… but it is not something that I want to go on about. However the outcome of what I wrote is the same even if I decide to post a couple book chapters on: guys there is some misinformation in this thread in the first pages let me show you IN DETAILS!
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I have all reasons to believe this is 100% true:
shadow9d9 said: I didn’t either until one day last year. … If you ever have problems, you will have no customer support and be locked out of everything. -
This is some random advice that I believe in: If someone in RL gives you information/justification saying I heard from this guy that know my uncle that his ex-spouse heard in a crowded market etc. give it no credence or value. If someone on the Internet gives you a link to information/justification from a source that is far from the source or that isn’t a legitimate trustworthy avenue (ex. a website with ads that exists only for the ad-clicking, has no purpose or responsibility besides baiting and just copies and alters some “news” >> I mean it is very easy a monkey could be the editor in chief - it is not the established Press at least etc.) (again what I mean is the place has no responsibility IF it publishes a troll column as it had no reputable existence before publishing) you give it no credence or value.
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You are wrong; but since you provided the source you provided for justification I am not feeling like taking my time now to trace a path to not being mislead on the Internet (even 4 years ago what you declared is not true you think today it still is?).
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I’m not afraid of losing my Steam collection if I had one. If I was half terminated or full terminated under the BS conditions I agreed to you can be sure my account would be restored and I would get free Steam games for life or whatever they decide by themselves because they’d say it was a misunderstanding and to make a friendship move to me for now and future they would offer things to consolate my annoyment.
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What you can do is: the Steam community has many members. Some are very bright, some are intellectual, some are rational bodybuilders etc. anyway look for a bright one that you like his attitude too and ask him to explain to you with relevant “evidence” how your Steam account functions, what did you agree to in the beginning and what is the situation now, not because you’re mad just because you are curious and want to know what you can do and can’t and what can happen if you breech the agreement you made etc.
WHO exactly is supplying the GOG keys for Grim Dawn, because according to GOG:
Hello,
I am afraid that no redemption option was announced, please contact the developer for clarification.
Regards,
Natalia
GOG.com Support
That was in response to getting the GOG version if we only have the key from Crate and NO GOG key. So does Crate get the redeem codes from GOG and distribute them to the backers either pre-order and/or KS backers?, or how exactly is it going to happen, I don’t think this has actually been explained by either Crate or GOG.
i would very much like to see this explained. Even though this DRM free version is not available yet, there is no reason that Crate cannot explain exactly what we need to do to get our DRM free version from GOG if we qualify, i am a loyalist backer so i qualify. We are all waiting patiently.
Is this helpful? Also, looks like the OP has been updated too.
It’s technically correct, I just looked at the GOG.com website and it ‘hasn’t’ been announced yet.
It could have something to do with just signing distribution rights, but not being ready for the full go ahead online.
It may not be in a web ready serviceable state that will be expected the minute they bring it to their digital shelves.
Remember that GOG.com will also have it functioning with galaxy, something that probably wasn’t ready when crate was originally going through humble bundle.
Usually the redeem codes will proceed the release and have a lockout till the date that the game releases; though with Grim Dawn already being released instead of getting us to hold our breaths they are probably working out any bugs to the dual distribution system (GOG & GOG+Galaxy) and will either ask for a list of e-mail addresses from crate or supply a requested amount of redeem codes to crate to email to you.
I have never seen the later performed, so I will hedge my bet on the former as logically it is also the simpler option (get database, filter, then send; or send to crate, filter, then either forward or god forbid copy paste the code into their own template using a parser).
Now for some less ‘grim’ this ‘dawn’; who else is chomping at the bit for release
You know you love the anxious await
Getting worked up about what is going to happen is what your bodies chemical based nature is both attuned and addicted to.
Go look at it (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3447818/), skip to the second paragraph of the discussion in medical studies (and I guess in science too from experience) everything preceding that is generally them proving they are not a bunch of hacks off the street making unsubstantiated claims.
Also there was a much more interesting and might I add captivating movie on gambling addiction, but I can’t for the life of me remember what it was called.
…But you can sniff it out on the interwebs now can’t ya boy *leans forward with a joyous smile and taps the table a couple of times have fun anticipating that payoff, there’s a good boy 
I’m a pre-kickstarter backer. The DRM discussion going on doesn’t really apply to me since I intend to stay on Steam for Grim Dawn. What I would like to see though is an update about the Backer Rewards, especially as it applies towards Steam accounts. I’ve been holding off on playing the final release as I wait for the various extras to be made available to me.
The original post implied that these rewards were ready to go as soon as keys could be distributed but I haven’t seen any further updates regarding them. I’m hoping the Steam backer reward keys aren’t being delayed to the GOG arrangements.
So to summarize, could we get an update on when to expect the backer rewards, either on Steam, GOG or both?
thanks ibugsy, so many threads i definitely missed this info.
Well, I’m seriously out of touch with a lot of things that I don’t care about. No disrespect meant to anti-DRM people and I’m not saying as a developer that I don’t care about that audience but as player, if DRM doesn’t affect me, I don’t care about it and I haven’t spent much time thinking about it or researching it. Since I haven’t played many games with obtrusive DRM, I’ve never looked much at non-DRM options and I have no what that audience considers DRM or not.
This is my first time ever acting as a publisher or being at all involved in distribution, so yeah, this is all a learning experience.
As a player, I personally enjoy Steam and feel that it enhances my gaming experience. I didn’t in the early days when it was more cumbersome and clunky but for the last 5+ years, it’s been great. I don’t care about achievements or the community features, I just like being able to use it for all my purchases, having all my games in one place and getting easy updates. I’ve never been affected by the DRM features, so it doesn’t bother me.
The reality is though, my personal gaming / buying tastes are reflective of the mainstream majority. It’s only like 10% of the audience that prefers GoG or other DRM-Free options and of them, probably a smaller number who won’t use Steam at all.
So given that I’ve never had any personal motivation or need to learn about anti-DRM… culture? until recently, where I need to understand it as a self-publisher, it shouldn’t be surprising that I’m out of touch.
I will say though, I recently tried to play a Ubisoft game I bought a while ago only to find that it now requires “UPlay” which is really more like “UCantPlay”. It was bugged and couldn’t connect, so basically I can’t play the game I bought. I was about to flip my desk over until I thought about all the stuff I’d have to pick up off the floor. This kind of obtrusive DRM I hate and this is more the type of thing I figured other people were complaining about - not so much Steam itself. Live and learn though.