Classes/Masteries Nerfs and Buffs thread

Ok then, pyro could do it too. Also the amount of inquis builds still popping out is astounding. Cenusre is that comfortable. CoF needs to be cast. In general 2x RR classes tend to be very successful and you don’t really need inquis for that

What BwC needs is support for other dmg types like chaos and vit. At least vit fits well with dot component but still, needs support

I admit it is very very possible that I’m missing something with my pyro theorycraft here, but I can’t seem to make it perform as well as your purifier.

Some insight would be awesome here. :slight_smile:

EDIT: To prevent the thread from going too off tangent, maybe I could trouble ya for a PM?

This is not FG related, just a small change for this build but idk about the when and the ifs. Honestly, not trying to be cryptic.

While personally i might do some little things differently, like i used reign ring instead of combustion and ignaffar panties, get fissure asap. BWC needs the shotgun and it feels really good. Other than this, there is literally no reason your pyro should under perform compared to the purifier above.

EDIT: I"ll PM from now on

I bet it does. :stuck_out_tongue:

EDIT: I like it hot too.

Stirs the loins, wherein bwc is concocted :slight_smile:

It will never be as good as purifier. Purifier has kalastor. Pyro has a converted doom bolt but that’s not gonna be as good as kalastor against bosses. Add the fact about censure+seal and you’ll see why :slight_smile:

I also think the crit bonus from deadly aim is pretty huge. Especially for burn ticks.

Regardless, I’ll add this to my ever growing ‘To-test’ list. T_T

I know pyro well. maybe i’ll do a video.

there si always a better class combo

Disagreed about skill disruption. It is a good addition to any melee build. Disruption prevents ghosts and explosive enemies to explode and cut my resistances, that’s why I always take it even on non-physical builds.
Agreed about Terrify and health reduction

This, skill disruption actually kicks ass. The aformentioned wraiths no longer release on death RR, several enemies just flat out stop healing allies (skeleton priests and ascended myrmidons) and casting other annoying debuffs. Leave the skill disruption in Break Morale alone.

You get my holy upvote that… doesn’t matter even a little tiny small bit… BUT AT LEAST YOU GOT IT!

In my War cry crying i personally never mentioned disrupt, in spite of the fact that i don’t really like it. I’d like it if it could disrupt certain elites, but it does not.

And it’s not just the bonuses, it’s the fact that the line is a skill sink and it’s not enjoyable to use, and is a bit unreliable too.

I’d replace %health dmg with:

  • OA or -DA at 5 per level.

  • I’d make break morale last 6 seconds to copensate for downtime even with builds like Markovian or WArborn as you won’t always cast it right when CD is over. It would make this skill a bit smoother

  • As for transmuter, i don’t think the skill would aven need a transmuter with the above changes. Give it aether/elemental rr for battlemages etc? Discord is not that hot

A lot of good suggestions from Ptir, but this one is the best. Such a great fix, putting Demo’s signature skill back at the table with the big boys. Noone is seriously making BWC spam builds these days anyway.

You have to be joking:D

It’s a serious build if you set about doing it seriously

1)Add %dmg reduction to demon fire. maybe a good idea, but you’d have to work it out with the transmuter
2)Remove BWC transmuter, incorporate transmuted values intro main skill. Allow Ulzuin chosen passive to work on BWC. i’m still thinking this is a joke

3)Reduce CD on Canister bomb to 6 seconds. Hell yes
4)Add flat lightning to Inproved casings. idk honestly, sounds like it changes the theme of the skill
5)Remove range of activation from Ulzuin wrath. Yes!!!
6)Increase projectile speed of Grenade. I’d make it target ground and pass through, but that’s just me

2)Remove DEE transmuter, incorporate transmuted values to main skill, reduce CD on DEE to 1 second. - Most dmg on DEE come from DoTs anyway. A long CD is just a nuicance, rly. Also must be kidding. I mean s buff in dmg or mods maybe but the transmuter thing is too much

I have a feeling it’s not bwc but Inquisitor carrying your char thru Crucible with that speed. Kalastor + seal + censure (plus I am not sure if you are storm boxing for procs or it’s fully leveled). Without instant RR from Censure as well as its monster’s damage debuff plus seal so you can stand and spam it it’s a below average skill without a transmuter. And average with the transmuter.

In pre aom JoV made him sorc so less RR than pyro cause mirror was so good. Now you can choose Inquis instead of Occult.

I’m not saying that Inquis isn’t better than occult for BWC, but to say it carries only cause of Inquis is much.

I only got Inquis cause Censure is so comfy and liked the theme and you gain more RR with combustion, that’s all. Heck i’d even try sorc with Turion, i like that thing

1 month ago people said that BWC won’t work, and now that it does it’s a fluke:D I really don’t wanna go through the same build again with a different class combo on my shit PC. I’d expect it to have 1 extra non lag min so 8:30 total

The way Warcry works currently does not allow it to have stackable OA/Da reductions since it’s a direct hit skill that applies debuffs instead of being a debuff by itself. I mean compare the skill text to CoF. Meaning if we get OA/DA reduction for warcry, it’ll be the same type as Blindside/Markovian which doesn’t stack. I don’t agree witH OA reductions here cause I feel it’s not fit for the theme.

How about %armor reduction instead of %health reduction?

Would be nice support for phys RR too.

I have a burn sorc build that uses transmuted 21/12 BWC (buffed by IK helmet, and on a build with 1062 spirit too). It’s a serious build. But without all the bells and whistles I added to it, using just just BWC would be underwhelming af.

I also would love to see how you are going to make a pyromancer caster survive in Crucible 150-170.

How does a fearsome cry that disables enemy attack capability not fit the -OA theme. Or -DA. Or flat reduction instead of -

I’ll try and give honest feedback if it fails

If its a burn sorc i’d put a lot more emphasis on inferno. I’m not saying that BWC alone should do the job. Even my purifier, would be shitty vs nemeses without Fissure