Dear Crate, about shattered realm...

[sir_spanksalot]

Thanks mate

[x1x1x1x2]

EDIT: May I ask what was the key difference between Octavius tactician, VS warlord. Is it the additional RR?

Haven’t played it yet, but aside from RR and Kalastor/aegis, it’s really just the better exclusive on Oathkeeper imo. Crit > OA for me.

[Lamante]

Can someone send me a link with a well built Warlord Octavius?

[x1x1x1x2]

Can someone send me a link with a well built Warlord Octavius?

I can send you a link but well-built new builds won’t exist as of yet unless it’s from a Praetorian. It’s the second day of the expansion ffs.

[kalarro]

I dont know, its like greater rifts in Diablo 3 again… boring af

I totally agree. The thing that makes Grim Dawn shine above d3 and PoE is the content. We farm in the world, using an awesome handcrafted map, with cool bosses.
Not some random generic rift in d3 and map in PoE, with uninteresting layout and bosses.

On the plus side, having it as a side content instead of the ONLY content like in the other 2 games, isnt that bad.

[malawiglenn]

I totally agree. The thing that makes Grim Dawn shine above d3 and PoE is the content. We farm in the world, using an awesome handcrafted map, with cool bosses.
Not some random generic rift in d3 and map in PoE, with uninteresting layout and bosses.

On the plus side, having it as a side content instead of the ONLY content like in the other 2 games, isnt that bad.

I mean its nice that we have these, but 95% of discussions here often revolves around how to perform well in them.

[Valinov]

1. So enemies actually scale? That’s a bummer. I thought it would just be the numbers and mutators.

Yeah the scaling gets pretty crazy around 70… and increases relatively quickly further from there. + the chance of getting mutators that can rather largely effect your build is somewhat high considering the number of them that get applied

2. So, warlords, shields and easy cc res and then DoT casters, huh? Is there a tree to kite around? Seriously, from the comments I have a feeling that getting deep in the shards is gonna be more a matter of mouse skills than actual buildcrafting…

Yes and no. Buildcrafting certainly is important… but learning which monsters will absolutely turn you into a fine red mist equally so. Anesteria in particular can kill just about anyone if you get shotgun’d by her meteors at higher sr, regardless of resists

3. Stonehide Stoneplate Grieves of Featherstep/Kings/Arcane Winds are back for all non-soldiers? Leathery Hide and things like that? I don’t like SR already! BTW, is petrify and sleep gonna be a thing? What about the res overcap priorities, any changes?

Res over cap is a large priority. I felt like overcapping aether/elemental by 35% (more is better) or more was pretty much required to not get instantly blown up after rr. Honestly you still get blown up if you are careless.

4. What about the shard blessings (the shrines or what’s its name)? Are the numbers reasonable?

Shrines are nice, but they all come at a cost. If you start at a lower shard and are lucky enough to find all 5, (gl finding shrine of death. I found 1 in all my testing of SR) then they kind of cover each of the negatives for a good net gain. I would say you can count on getting 2 or 3 on a somewhat regular basis… if you dont die between finding them

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[Lamante]

I can send you a link but well-built new builds won’t exist as of yet unless it’s from a Praetorian. It’s the second day of the expansion ffs.

Ok, send me please

[sir_spanksalot]

Can someone explain to me why crit is so good? Like, if you’re OA is high enough, you already crit for 2.5x your damage no?

Getting 20% on top of that vs more consistent crits is something I can’t wrap my head around.

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I totally agree. The thing that makes Grim Dawn shine above d3 and PoE is the content. We farm in the world, using an awesome handcrafted map, with cool bosses.
Not some random generic rift in d3 and map in PoE, with uninteresting layout and bosses.

On the plus side, having it as a side content instead of the ONLY content like in the other 2 games, isnt that bad.

It’s not about the farming, I don’t think. It’s the challenge it poses to builders. It’s just a very universal yardstick of how well a build is crafted, and also how well a player can pilot them.

The gameplay itself might be repetitive, but you have a billion ways to approach it and that’s the interesting part.

[malawiglenn]

Ok, send me please

You should find plenty in here http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81941

[Nery]

Ok,I am yet to have opportunity to play FG,but what’s the deal with SR and showing builds potential,are they gonna be measured how far they can go?It’s interesting to see builds that can be good in both Cruci and realms.Also if you going to build dot caster,around what damage type should be?I remember in one of the earlier AoM patches top build was poison Witchblade,so now maybe Sentinel with dots,shield and retaliation:rolleyes:

[sir_spanksalot]

Ok,I am yet to have opportunity to play FG,but what’s the deal with SR and showing builds potential,are they gonna be measured how far they can go?It’s interesting to see builds that can be good in both Cruci and realms.Also if you going to build dot caster,around what damage type should be?I remember in one of the earlier AoM patches top build was poison Witchblade,so now maybe Sentinel with dots,shield and retaliation:rolleyes:

I may be wrong, but I think there are several ‘measurements’ used by crafters in general.

MC-orientated ones typically use MQ kill time.
Crucible crafters look at clear time (though I personally think clearance rate should also be considered)
And I’m sure there’ll be shard ‘depth’ now with SR.

I also think a build isn’t necessarily ‘bad’ if it can’t excel in all 3 fields.

[sephelutis]

I may be wrong, but I think there are several ‘measurements’ used by crafters in general.

MC-orientated ones typically use MQ kill time.
Crucible crafters look at clear time (though I personally think clearance rate should also be considered)
And I’m sure there’ll be shard ‘depth’ now with SR.

I also think a build isn’t necessarily ‘bad’ if it can’t excel in all 3 fields.

Honestly i think SR may finally favor some defensive builds rather than full on DPS crazy clear speed. Without the crucible buffs i suspect those builds would get stuck on one shotting mobs. Im on 5th shard and already feeling the burst and have to chuck health options.

[sir_spanksalot]

DPS can get you reasonably far on SR. But it won’t be a top tier build insofar as SR is concerned

Different aspects of the game require different mechanics.

My theory is that a build capable of taking on 170 with no buffs/banners will do reasonably well in SR.

Speedracing builds may survive up to 55ish IMO

[sephelutis]

DPS can get you reasonably far on SR. But it won’t be a top tier build insofar as SR is concerned

Different aspects of the game require different mechanics.

My theory is that a build capable of taking on 170 with no buffs/banners will do reasonably well in SR.

Speedracing builds may survive up to 55ish IMO

When i see some builds with like 9K hp without the crucible buffs i kind of roll my eyes alittle. Crucible brings your hp to at least 14k which allows you to tank things your 9k hp never going to tank in campangin. Stuff like gravathuls ball of death, mis time on mad queen or alexander 14k damage meteor.

If nemesis eventually spawns in shattered realm those squishy dps builds going to have a hella time to face the proper ones. Which to be fair is a good change…

It does mean CDR binders might get the nerf hammer again LoL

[sir_spanksalot]

When i see some builds with like 9K hp without the crucible buffs i kind of roll my eyes alittle. Crucible brings your hp to at least 14k which allows you to tank things your 9k hp never going to tank in campangin. Stuff like gravathuls ball of death, mis time on mad queen or alexander 14k damage meteor.

If nemesis eventually spawns in shattered realm those squishy dps builds going to have a hella time to face the proper ones. Which to be fair is a good change…

Agreed. I hate building builds with less than 11k hp. It’s not that 11k is inadequate though, it’s the possibility of running into that freaking -25% hp mutator which is the problem

[sephelutis]

Agreed. I hate building builds with less than 11k hp. It’s not that 11k is inadequate though, it’s the possibility of running into that freaking -25% hp mutator which is the problem

I just hated the general obsession with crucible clear time we had rather than focus on campaign. That paper 10k hp i wonder would even stand against lokarr with a badly spawned green weapon (+400% phyiscal damage = dead).

[sir_spanksalot]

I think speed clears were aimed at maximizing loot farming before needing to buy new buffs/banners.

It served its purpose, and while it is ‘cheesy’ in that it’s reliant on the banners and buffs to bypass the need to actually focus on things like CC resist, they still aren’t easy to theorycraft. Nor are they easy to pilot.

Just because a build has the potential to clear 170 in 6 minutes, doesn’t mean any schmuck can do it.

And you gotta respect that.

[Weyu]

Can someone explain to me why crit is so good? Like, if you’re OA is high enough, you already crit for 2.5x your damage no?

Getting 20% on top of that vs more consistent crits is something I can’t wrap my head around.

Normal crit damage from OA only goes up to 1.5x and for that you need really high OA to get the red crits on strong enemies (like 3800+ probably).
Crit damage from items/skills adds to that multiplier (f.e. 50% crit damage = 0.5 extra multiplier), which is what gets you those juicy 2.5+ multipliers.

In the old game versions the OA/crit formula was different and you were able to get really strong crits from OA, but those days are long gone.

[sir_spanksalot]

Normal crit damage from OA only goes up to 1.5x and for that you need really high OA to get the red crits on strong enemies (like 3800+ probably).
Crit damage from items/skills adds to that multiplier (f.e. 50% crit damage = 0.5 extra multiplier), which is what gets you those juicy 2.5+ multipliers.

In the old game versions the OA/crit formula was different and you were able to get really strong crits from OA, but those days are long gone.

Thanks weyu. That helped a lot!