Does Necromancer not have good synergies with other classes?

[USER_NAME_01]

Occultist is also sandbox/support in most cases, so is soldier… In literally almost every build you have one class with support skills and the other has the attack skills. Sometimes they combine but even out with the rest, the devs are aware of this…Exceptions to this: Infiltrators and Purifiers that get support/attack in both classes and are just stronger than others:)

Never in all my time in GD would I ever conceive i’d see players say that demmo has bad synergy. I am going to step out of this debate from this moment onward cause people who actually believe this seem to have it figured out. I’m also curious to see where this goes, if this keeps going and what others will say.

I mean, you never really say “OH BOY I WANNA MAKE A DEMOLITIONIST WITH FIRE STRIKE AND SMASH EVERYTHING AROUND!” and if you do, you always find something else that would work even better.

Still, I understand your point, but even if the classes you pointed out (aside of occultist, maybe) can be easily picked as your primary class which you base on.

[Superfluff]

I mean, you never really say “OH BOY I WANNA MAKE A DEMOLITIONIST WITH FIRE STRIKE AND SMASH EVERYTHING AROUND!” .

I don’t? Can be done with lightning as well.

Also melee? Not even fully optimized.

Onle 1h/DW melee has problems atm as far as destroying crucible, Which I already mentioned

@fluff: out of curiosity, would you say the vindicator has better/worse/similar synergy as compared to the purifier?

Both can destroy with Auto attack. Especially Purifier with guns(even lightning with 2 xDagallon storm spread which is broken again)/ Rifle /2h ARchon.

Vindicator AA can also do well as posted by Korsar and also has good 2h with Evoker. Not a fan of PS vindicator but you can, you can do WD/Storm box mage.

But purifier is imo just Raw power with various builds that revolve around FS or not (ie: Runes, BwC, Worldeater smash etc.)

[Snazzblaster]

I would pick nothing because it’s impossible to argue against Demo having the most classes that don’t work well. And yes, Nightblade is only a little better because there’s Sabo and Reaper can be wonky without the gear too.

I’m against calling whole masteries having weak synergy instead of particular classes, esp. simply counting the number of classes that don’t work. It is a wrong, misleading approach.

Simply counting the non-synergistic combos is not the best approach I agree, but it’s hard to find an agreed-upon metric for evaluating class viability. No matter which metric is used, someone will disagree, so I stuck with the simplest metric to evaluate for the purpose of argument.

It’s much easier to evaluate how individual skills synergize with different classes, but breaking down a mastery into just a summation of its individual skills also has problems.

It’s a good thing in the long run that people are having questions about how to define “least synergy” and which metric is best used to evaluate this. If everyone had the same answer without needing to even question it, there’d be some balance problems :rolleyes:

[USER_NAME_01]

I don’t? Can be done with lightning as well.

Also melee? Not even fully optimized.

Onle 1h/DW melee has problems atm as far as destroying crucible, Which I already mentioned

As I said before, Purifier is the exception where you go 50/50 with your skills.

[Superfluff]

As I said before, Purifier is the exception where you go 50/50 with your skills.

Are you trying to tell me that Cadence for example as an AA works very well on all class combos?

cause it doesn’t

Same for savagery. Sure you can combine and it’s doable enough for campaign or even crucible, but not raw power.

[USER_NAME_01]

Are you trying to tell me that Cadence for example as an AA works very well on all class combos?

cause it doesn’t

Same for savagery. Sure you can combine and it’s doable enough for campaign or even crucible, but not raw power.

Imo, there are no auto attack replacers that are good for everyone. Cadence might work for everyone since it’s physical damage and most weapons that convert damage convert physical, but in my opinion Cadence is a bad skill in general (here many people will disagree with me, but I just don’t like the “every third hit” idea). Of course, casters don’t benefit from Cadence.

And I’ve never pointed out Cadence in my previous messages, so I don’t really understand why you said that.

[Superfluff]

Imo, there are no auto attack replacers that are good for everyone. Cadence might work for everyone since it’s physical damage and most weapons that convert damage convert physical, but in my opinion Cadence is a bad skill in general (here many people will disagree with me, but I just don’t like the “every third hit” idea). Of course, casters don’t benefit from Cadence.

And I’ve never pointed out Cadence in my previous messages, so I don’t really understand why you said that.

You are arguing that FS, an AA is only good in one situation, so I gave otehr AA as example.

But you think Cadence is bad too:D

Anyway, pre AoM Demmo was widely considered the strongest class, especially in crucible. And now that WD has rr suddenly shaman isn’t shit any more and people pick on Demo…it’s just really weird to me

[USER_NAME_01]

You are arguing that FS, an AA is only good in one situation, so I gave otehr AA as example.

But you think Cadence is bad too:D

Anyway, pre AoM Demmo was considered the strongest class, especially in crucible. And now that WD has rr suddenly shaman isn’t shit any more and people pick on Demo…it’s just really weird to me

I personally like Shaman because of Heart of the Wild and Wendigo Totem, tbh. Maybe Savagery in some situations. I like tanky builds and this might be why I “like” Shaman.

[Superfluff]

I like tanky builds and this might be why I “like” Shaman.

Well, BwC builds, especially Commando used to be the tanky rich kid of GD, pampered, untouchable, killing things while taking a stroll so it should be right up your alley:p

[Stupid_Dragon]

For masterfully derailing this thread credit goes to Sir Spanksalot and yours truly.

[sir_spanksalot]

I almost regret saying what I said.

almost

[USER_NAME_01]

Well, BwC builds, especially Commando used to be the tanky rich kid of GD, pampered, untouchable, killing things while taking a stroll so it should be right up your alley:p

I was about to try a demolitionist tanky build at some point, but then I’ve always lacked OA and my only source of healing was health regen or potions, so I said “maybe next time” and never built any similar build after that. Instead I made a random commando few months ago (or even over half a year ago) and never bothered to make such build in the game.

[Superfluff]

I almost regret saying what I said.

almost

The whole discussion is basically arguing whether Pizza is really good or not, no matter what you put on it:), it is, and has been, since pre AoM, Pizza.

I think we are just spoiled with too much of it cause with a couple of exceptions that need some work, things are balanced in GD at the moment and in some cases overpowered.

[Stupid_Dragon]

I almost regret saying what I said.

almost

I almost sympasize with you here :rolleyes:

[medea_fleecestealer]

Let’s not go off topic more than we can help folks. Otherwise I’ll have to split the thread off.

And that’s tri-beer. Not allowed to drink any other type of beers if you’re part of the GD community.

[sir_spanksalot]

What even IS a tri-beer

[medea_fleecestealer]

Lazy Devs Where's My Expansion?

What! You don’t know of the famous tri-beer? Medierra invented it when the Kickstarter finished.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMAAhJur7UY

Down the hatch.

And split. It’s definitely Friday.

[Superfluff]

What even IS a tri-beer

Medierra in action

[Stupid_Dragon]

Too bad I wasn’t around back then. I want to playtest that. :rolleyes:

[Superfluff]

Too bad I wasn’t around back then. I want to playtest that. :rolleyes:

It’s all in the…grip, I think