Endgame balancing problem

powbam · October 15, 2019, 10:02am

Why thank you. I had no idea you were also a grammar nazi. Learn something new everyday.

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What are your feelings on the phenomenon of birbs we have here on the site?

Rhylthar · October 15, 2019, 10:13am

Is Mike Godwin a rich man? His theory/law is quite fantastic and always fits.

powbam · October 15, 2019, 10:15am

Nice I’ve read about that before a while back… so true. Isn’t it crazy the way things work out sometimes?

I particularly like…

… the last underlined bit there.

Rhylthar · October 15, 2019, 10:25am

As a German, I might get offended every time this happens, but I am long past it.

On-topic:
It´s quite interesting, that the Chinese Community has a whole different Meta. I wish I could read it and see how they make Bleeding Builds for SR.

powbam · October 15, 2019, 10:28am

My grandfather on my father’s side is actually directly from Germany. But that actually has little to do with the fact that I find WW2 endlessly fascinating.

I was actually slightly interested to see the fuss too… doesn’t seem that the links work tho.

powbam · October 15, 2019, 10:41am

Here are the links extracted and cleaned up:

I only tried a handful, which didn’t work. So if you manage to find any that do work perhaps note them out.

Another thought on them: someone might need to compare the ends of the url’s with the picture as well, searching for errors there. Some of the ones that don’t work might indeed come down to extraction interpretation errors of this segment of the URL. I only cleaned up the very obvious errors (of which there were numerous) of the easier to read portions of the extraction URL’s.

For reference here is the part of that picture I fed into the extractor:

dKQnJOKKuY

Rhylthar · October 15, 2019, 10:49am

ABCbarbecue · October 15, 2019, 11:09am

To spice it up @ Rhylthar
here is some more
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/RZROyKBN
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/aZq3YPp2
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/DV968EaZ
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/nZo6MMoV
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/0V03YQ12
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/qNYO6LeV
Enjoy!

To be noted: don’t facetank playing every build. Should always consider respective features.
Dance with the boss, don’t always act rough

Just like playing on an arcade machine, having the right BD is like feeding the coins to get started, but to win the game, you have to have skills and good experience.

Rhylthar · October 15, 2019, 11:16am

Thank you.

The Trickster is a good example for a build which would have never “made” it here.
A 2 (3?) damage type build (Bleeding/Physical/a little bit Pierce) which damage comes from up to 7 player-scaled pets. RR to all 3 damage types, nearly no ADctH, but very good Health Regeneration (up to 3.600 with Giant´s Blood). Even with CC on RoS.

Edit:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/RZROyKBN (Paladin)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/aZq3YPp2 (Warlord)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/DV968EaZ (Ritualist)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/nZo6MMoV (Conjurer)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/0V03YQ12 (Purifier)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/qNYO6LeV (Warlord)

powbam · October 15, 2019, 11:31am

Here are ones that I cleaned up for more errors of the end-numbers that now work:

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/O2G4YxqV (Templar)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/a2dJz6QZ (Sorcerer)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/RVvL7kJN (Spellbreaker)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/a2E4bemN (Conjurer)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/4NOOg3KN (Elementalist)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/eVLnvmPN (Warlord)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/qNYOYgrV (Sorcerer)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/YZeK7bp2 (Templar)

Rhylthar · October 15, 2019, 11:36am

Hm…fascinating. Often Behemoth, haven´t seen one build with Ghoul/Bat, yet.

Edit:
That is so differently to “our” builds.
Spock_2

spikenik · October 15, 2019, 11:37am

Weird. I like it.

AlkamosHater · October 15, 2019, 11:47am

Very interesting builds, two concepts which I had in my mind for testing and even one very similar which I have just posted. Looks like I am not the first one who tryied to utilize health regen and Canister bomb on sorc for SR performance

@ABCbarbecue is there wrote anywhere what is max SR performance of these builds? I guess some of them were tryied to test for the limit.

powbam · October 15, 2019, 11:55am

Managed to find 1 more:

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/0V037wo2 (Spellbreaker)

That leaves 3 out of all of them that currently aren’t working. I’ll try to fiddle with them and see if I can spot any apparent issues with why.

Edit:

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/0V03q1R2 (Dervish)

2 more to go

Edit2:

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/gZwLmAKN (Trickster)

1 more to go

Edit3:

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/gZwLvrJN (Warlord)

All of them have been deciphered and fixed.

ABCbarbecue · October 15, 2019, 11:58am

Max SR performance is not noted in any part of the file due to the consideration to have more tolerance of builds and encouragement to play all varieties for players in our community, because people tend to be drawn to T0 builds, and ignore those who are in second place, even though second place builds may be much more solid than the one that struggles to very high levels. We hope they could enjoy this diversity and so we are guiding our commnunity to focus on the right things.
In general, warlord. shieldbreaker and battlemage has the most potiential to reach very high levels.
But again, it took too long to dive deep, and that’s the work for the lone fighters to max out SR. It’s respectful but not recommended though. Getting too competitive is no good for the health of community.

powbam · October 15, 2019, 12:20pm

OK here is the complete extracted list in one post:

This one here is the crossed out link in the picture:

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/eVLn0n6N (Warder)

AlkamosHater · October 15, 2019, 12:21pm

I understand I wondered because I was lurking your forum few times (very hard to navigate because of language barrier so I didn’t see a lot) and I found screen from guy who reached 98 shard on hardcore with pet build I hope your community will join us in future again.

ABCbarbecue · October 15, 2019, 12:27pm

actually this is the forum most experienced players go to
https://tieba.baidu.com/f?ie=utf-8&kw=darktemplar&fr=search

But we have tight internet control policies which makes posting stuff annoying. We are basically ditching forums
So most people choose to be active in chat groups where communication is efficicent, vibe is superb,and exchange of items is no trouble, etc.

Edit 1: half the BDs I’ve collected can be found nowhere else. Because they were sent directly to me to put in the compendiums

AlkamosHater · October 15, 2019, 12:36pm

Thank you, there is a lot to see. I thought before that you don’t use GT and post builds mostly with screenshots but non chinese letters in first topic like 8NKO模拟器QrON are for GT link.

x1x1x1x2 · October 15, 2019, 12:39pm

We need more feedback from you guys. People here are getting tired of Crate (seemingly) balancing based mostly on cruci but they need feedback from SR players in order for it to be considered more.