You hope for the right combination of expected. Give me Reaper and Zantarin please, no Grava, no Garbagol and no Mad Queen. 
Donât know why nobody ever mentions Anasteria⌠She sprinkles you with her 50%reduced rr while youâre fighting anything else and youâre toasted. The freakiest debuff in the game.
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Back to the topic at hand, when doing timed runs in crucible with mortars, is it ok to set all the mortars up beforehand?
- a) well, yeah⌠itâs ok, pets do that so why wouldnât pseudo pets?
- b) absolutely not! itâs cheating 10 seconds out of nothing! why donât you go around each spawn zone and set up RoH next time?
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Voted a but pretty sure rune builds back then would spam 5 runes before starting the 151 and 161 
only thing Iâd drop is the %rr for empyrion and the celestial presence bonuses. Empyrion has already too much RR!
Nerf the base skill. Not the set
That works too (as much as I like the idea of skills that are just strong enough (but not too strong) by themselves). If all other masteries need gear for the good RR stuff, why should OKs be an exception?
Guys I think we kinda side-tracked on the thread itself with the Crucible vs SR talk.
On topic, I agree with the feedback but am confused as to how the Arcanist portion of the build can be improved or whether Arcanist needs to be there at all. Do we need more mods for Arcanist passive skills, defensive skill mods I mean. Or would simple plus skills do the trick.
Since defense was stated to be a problem then %health and % x resist bonus can be given via skill mod to Maiven or IEE. Or maybe add %health restored to Arcane Will.
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ITT, if you donât own a stupid and cancerous sidegame DLC, you donât get to post any builds, because according to this community, Crucible is MANDATORY and the ONLY WAY to evaluate your character performance.
If crate ever add anything that recembles Cancerible in grim dawn 2, they already lost a sale on me.
Why Crucible is cancerous? And if it doesnât have good drop or chance to test your build,what would be the point from it?Why someone will buy it if it means nothing or Crate will create it in first place?Donât know why people hate some optional content with passion.
As Pyran SB definetely is the strongest class combo for the set.
Be careful there! Or theyâll make sure to add it AFTER you have already bought the game!
Thanks. The only place where stackable rr can be put is Null. Which would be kinda fun and strong if they also gave it some cdr.
Anyone can post a build whether itâs able to do Crucible or not. Frankly we need more builds that arenât judged by that criteria. It isnât the be all and end all of builds, despite the impression that it is.
Might sound weird coming from me but I agree 100%. But to achieve that we need alternatives. There must be some criteria to judge builds because 1) it is an important part of an aRPG community to judge builds and 2) it is human nature to compete. And as long as Crate insist on this âmore adventurousâ nature of SR, we shall have no alternative to Crucible.
There is one other criteriaâŚbut sadly it isn´t measurable: Fun.
So I see no reason to post a build which would get CR- and SR- TagsâŚnobody would read it and the few, who read it, will compare it with the SR+/CR+ builds.
I spent some time making an aether Firestrike defiler that I knew was weak. I was running 10 minutes on the average. But after some changes I managed under 9 minutes consistently (still no c+ lol). And I learned that itâs better to use Imp than Flame Torrent, and that itâs even better to bind Firestrike to it than to Widow.
Itâs not about concepts being strong or weak. Itâs more about builders having some objective reference to measure whether their decisions are right or wrong. And a well-made build, even from a weak concept, is always well received regardless of the tag.
Dude, chill.
There are plenty of builds being posted that havenât even stepped into Crucilbe and itâs okay. If Shattered Realm was less random people would judge builds by SR performance and I bet you someone would still complain that SR is used as âonly measure of builds worthâ and that âendless dungeons with infinite scale dificulty is cancerâ, etc. etc.
I donât understand why people are getting so salty about top builders measuring builds performance by their Crucible timers. Itâs not a competitive game, you can ignore all those Crucible builds or forums in general and play however you want and nobody will say a thing. Throwing tantrums like this because you donât like optional DLC in a single player game is childlish.
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Back to topic. I tried Pyran Templar and itâs so friggin squishy. First tried the grimtools I posted on the very first reply on this thread but TD is kinda clunky and both Ascension and devastation are almost always up anyways. So I decided to try to go meteors+seekers with same items (canât post GT, im at work) and damage is REALLY GOOD for a build whose main skills are both usually used as secondary damage sources (devastation + judgment). Almost got a 6:30 run and thatâs while kiting all the time. Problem is you die too easily. If Pyran got even a bit more defense it would be a monster that enables top tier builds for three classes. Still trying to figure out a defensive strat for templar before I start calling for defensive buffs.
Imo this set is mortars. Period. Devastation is cute but you wonât scare Grava+Maiden with cute. Mortars though⌠phew⌠I did slightly sub 5 yesterday and I wasnât even lucky. This is the fastest guy in this patch for sure.
Meteors+seekers? Thatâs genius, brother! Never though of that. My spec converts close to 100% ele to fire and I forgot about Seekers. I need to test it NOW. Iâm calling in sick today! 
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Donât underestimate the power of fully converted devastation + a strong main skill. Member old binder?
Problem is thereâs no good fire main skill for casters atm that can be partnered with Devastation aside from Mortars. Judgment is another support skill, maxing guardians is crap, VM as main skill only works on vanquisher. If we look further and include Mage hunter, Kalastor got nerfed and you make devastation worse without star pact. This leaves us with no choice but to go Demo and thereâs no reason to pick any other demo skill but mortars.
If Pyran became an inq set with Kalastor or even just a judgment set then it would be a lot better for templar.
Btw, who tried sorc? How does it compare to breaker?
Slighty less than 6 minutes, but squishy as hell
Also one of the biggest problems that with this set impossible stands on mines (BIG dmg loss) and Justicar gives you almost the same perfomance with much more survabillity