Grimtools update: theorycrafting thread

[powbam]

i’m going to make a purifier too but still wonder between fire and lightning :furious: new Ultos devotion is more attractive than Ulzuin torch for me

Yeah I’m just kinda going for all three Ele types, more or less, with a greater emphasis on Fire.

[Zars]

These 2 masteries open so many caster builds, just love em!!

I’m sure going to be making a lot of Mage Hunter, Purifier and Spellbinder builds.

After toying around for almost and hour this is some builds I have put together. All of these have empty devotion point spend though, waiting for items to fully flesh them out.

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/8NK8PW2D AAR Spellbinder

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/YVWaWJNJ Drain Essense Spellbinder

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/a2EKLbZd Cally Spellbinder

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/YZeyJkZ8 PRM Mage Hunter

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/4NOd7P2n Ignaffar Mage Hunter

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/eVLyMwZG 2H Cally Mage Hunter

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/4ZDgoBV7 AAR Mage Hunter

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/62aGpbZ4 Ignaffa Purifier

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/dVbjXOVJ 2H Ranged Ulzuin’s Purifier

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/DV9veaZj DW Ranged Fire Strike Purifuer

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/mN4PdrNg DW Pierce Ranged Fire Strike Purifier

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/62aGWOZ4 Pierce Caster Infiltrator

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/eZPnGj20 Drain Essense Apostate

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/YNnQD8Zr Chaos Word of Pain Deciever (using Blood Orb to Convert Elemental To Chaos)

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/nZoPXBNA Elemental Word of Pain Deciever

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/lV7nvO2Q Chaos/vitality Ignaffar

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/L2JXj4Zp Cold/Vitality Drain Essense Cabalist

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/eVLy86ZG Drain Essense Ritualist

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/4ZDgkaV7 Vitality Totem Ritualist

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/nZo5Rl2A 2H Ranged Vindicator

[korsar]

Anyone know when they are going to add the new gear to grim tools

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They will be definitely added on expansion release day. Maybe there’s a chance that Zantai allows me to add them some time before release.

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[Ptirodaktill]

Burning Purifier
http://www.grimtools.com/calc/D2pMKBVq
I wonder if there will be items with fire to lightning or lightning to fire conversion :hmhm:

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TY…

[Maxzero]

For pet builds I am wondering since you can have a lot of skeletons out (anywhere from 8-10 with full points) how do they work with Devotion procs? Does each Pet have its own CD?

Could we have a…Procmancer?

Its never been an issue before because there wasn’t a skill that summoned multiple pets with one ability.

[sfbistimg]

For pet builds I am wondering since you can have a lot of skeletons out (anywhere from 8-10 with full points) how do they work with Devotion procs? Does each Pet have its own CD?

Could we have a…Procmancer?

Its never been an issue before because there wasn’t a skill that summoned multiple pets with one ability.

my guess is no. reasom being they already fixed wind devil and blade spirit to only allow one proc

[Maxzero]

my guess is no. reasom being they already fixed wind devil and blade spirit to only allow one proc

Yeah but they were not real pets. They were pseudo pets who scaled off your stats.

Just find it interesting is all. Summon skeleton is the first true multi pet skill.

Bound to be some quirks.

[Rylocke]

For pet builds I am wondering since you can have a lot of skeletons out (anywhere from 8-10 with full points) how do they work with Devotion procs? Does each Pet have its own CD?

Could we have a…Procmancer?

Its never been an issue before because there wasn’t a skill that summoned multiple pets with one ability.

This was already covered in this same thread.

There are already ways to get 3-6 pets out with a single ability, so Crate added a shared cooldown to constellations. The ones with no cooldown can still be activated by each skeleton, but they’re either not strong enough to be OP or can’t affect an enemy with more than one instance of itself.

[Grzybas]

Crit Ignaffar Mage Hunter seems reasonable - 95% crit damage just from the masteries. Inquisitor seal, Maiven sphere and mirror for facetanking and a heal.
Not sure about devotions yet but i got some base idea :
http://www.grimtools.com/calc/8NK3e8ND
assuming at least +1 to inquisitor skills.

Will also try to recreate Evoker from TQ - Infiltrator with Aura of Censure + Night’s Chill running around and proccing lightning bolts from gear etc.
Have to check new items first but i assume there will be some procs on lvl 90+ legendaries.
http://www.grimtools.com/calc/aZqdv8Vd

[Maxzero]

This was already covered in this same thread.

There are already ways to get 3-6 pets out with a single ability, so Crate added a shared cooldown to constellations. The ones with no cooldown can still be activated by each skeleton, but they’re either not strong enough to be OP or can’t affect an enemy with more than one instance of itself.

Been away for a while but looking at the current meta pet build (Pyromancer) it uses a lot of flat damage with multiple pets.

Having an even larger number of perma pets means flat damage and procs that can stack further.

I mean Skeletons (8-10), Swarmlings (6), Blight Fiend (1-3), Reap Spirit (1-3), 3 Bound Spirits, Eldritch Hound

You are looking at 20-26 Pets.

Could do a Pet Vitality damage build using Occultist/Necro stacking a lot of pet passives and flat damage bonuses. Soul Harvest (80 Vit +120% all) actually adds more flat damage then Flame Touched (57 flat +210% fire). Or just go Necro/Pyro and double up on the flat damage bonuses.

Some serious power creep.

[Roger]

Aura of Conviction actually seems to have decent pierce scaling, the pierce Inquisitor/Nightblade dream still lives on.

[Evil_Baka]

Been away for a while but looking at the current meta pet build (Pyromancer) it uses a lot of flat damage with multiple pets.

Having an even larger number of perma pets means flat damage and procs that can stack further.

I mean Skeletons (8-10), Swarmlings (6), Blight Fiend (1-3), Reap Spirit (1-3), 3 Bound Spirits, Eldritch Hound

You are looking at 20-26 Pets.

Could do a Pet Vitality damage build using Occultist/Necro stacking a lot of pet passives and flat damage bonuses. Soul Harvest (80 Vit +120% all) actually adds more flat damage then Flame Touched (57 flat +210% fire). Or just go Necro/Pyro and double on the flat damage bonuses.

Some serious power creep.

From what I can tell, it’s not all about flat damage or number of pets though. Pyromancer has access to a big amount of resistance reduction via Thermite Mines/Vulnerability which buffs his Pet’s Fire damage overall and ways to buff Pet OA through Blood of Dreeg, Flame Touched and Flashbang among stacking Pet OA% that means his pets get crits often and with big modifiers from devotions or celestial powers that give crit damage % to Pets like Panther, Dying God/Hungering Void/Shepherd’s Crook etc.

It also helps that Swarmlings which seem to be his main damage dealers already have a big base of Fire that he’s able to amplify from the above multipliers

Following that though, I have a feeling Necro/Shaman will be a strong contender for Vitality Pets due to the flat damage and survivability that Blood Pact adds on top of Necromancer’s Skeletons/Spirit having base Vitality damage (and more with Physical to Vitality conversion for the Skeletons) and big amounts of resist reduction through Devouring Swarm/Spectral Wrath. Occultist does have more OA over Shaman though.

[Ptirodaktill]

Shaman can aslo offer 30%+ health from hearth of the wild and mana-regen from modrogen pact and primal spirit and opie percentile healing from Wendigo totem=) On paper Shaman+Necro look much stronger that Shaman+Ocultist.

[Mauricius]

I am wondering how effective pet retaliation is when you have lots of pets?

[Maxzero]

From what I can tell, it’s not all about flat damage or number of pets though. Pyromancer has access to a big amount of resistance reduction via Thermite Mines/Vulnerability which buffs his Pet’s Fire damage overall and ways to buff Pet OA through Blood of Dreeg, Flame Touched and Flashbang among stacking Pet OA% that means his pets get crits often and with big modifiers from devotions or celestial powers that give crit damage % to Pets like Panther, Dying God/Hungering Void/Shepherd’s Crook etc.

It also helps that Swarmlings which seem to be his main damage dealers already have a big base of Fire that he’s able to amplify from the above multipliers

Following that though, I have a feeling Necro/Shaman will be a strong contender for Vitality Pets due to the flat damage and survivability that Blood Pact adds on top of Necromancer’s Skeletons/Spirit having base Vitality damage (and more with Physical to Vitality conversion for the Skeletons) and big amounts of resist reduction through Devouring Swarm/Spectral Wrath. Occultist does have more OA over Shaman though.

A big thing for Necromancer is the exclusive can convert a portion of all pets damage to Vitality.

Shaman/Necro looks very tempting -33% Vitality from Spectral Wrath and -60% from Devouring Swarm plus -20% from new Devotion is -113% vitality resist that all your pets benefit from.

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/O2G6DXNd

[krell_154]

The lack of non-pet Necro-Demo combos in this thread is a bit worrying (I know I’m boring, I’ll stop now)

[Ptirodaktill]

The lack of non-pet Necro-Demo combos in this thread is a bit worrying (I know I’m boring, I’ll stop now)

If there is 2H melee weapon with fire to aether conversion, then http://www.grimtools.com/calc/b28XQ72j something like this should work i guess.

[Autentist]

http://www.grimtools.com/calc/nZoPqQNA

My small work-in-progress on Tactician with physical rauma and supportive skills from Inquisitor tree.

[brucesx]

Necro/shaman pet build will be superior due to -%vitality resist

but hell, how I do hate using devouring swarm :furious: :furious: :furious: