[Observation] Damage Reduction applies to all* debuffs

fordprefect · May 12, 2021, 2:05pm

LoL there is also flat damage reduction you say? And probably stacks with %damage reduction so that’s why you get sudden sustain problems when facing multiple hero enemies in SR chunks.

Edit: According to Z, this deduction is wrong but the second one might still be correct

Quantum Mechanics is easier to learn than Grim Dawn Mechanics…

Zantai · May 12, 2021, 2:11pm

Except absolute damage reduction is literally not in use anywhere.

grey-maybe · May 12, 2021, 2:12pm

first boss that came to mind.
and i guess all the others with this skill have flat dr as well.

Zantai · May 12, 2021, 2:14pm

Ok, one boss with a misentered field. Anyone else?

fordprefect · May 12, 2021, 2:15pm

Exceptional fate?

grey-maybe · May 12, 2021, 2:17pm

searching for more.

Zantai · May 12, 2021, 2:22pm

Looks like one copy paste error propagated across like 3 enemies, and one more entry on an entity that’s not even seen in the Crucible/SR.

In any case, we’ll correctly set them to % DR in the next update, but the scale of this issue is a tad exaggerated.

grey-maybe · May 12, 2021, 2:25pm

How can 75-84% dr be exaggerated when it applies to all offensive parameters?
that basically leaves character only with its defensive stats.

banana_peel · May 12, 2021, 2:25pm

Allostria at Crucible 155 wave reduces your leech to zero. I died from it mutiple times. And reported it.

tqFan · May 12, 2021, 3:13pm

Here are all absolute reductions (non-zero offensiveTotalDamageReductionAbsoluteMin) I found in the files, maybe it will be useful. I’d also need to check what monsters use them I guess because it’s possible not only a monster indicated by skill’s name is using it

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database/records/skills/nonplayerskills/bossskills/ellena_shatteringice_weaker.dbr:271:offensiveTotalDamageReductionAbsoluteMin,0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000,
mods/gdx1/database/records/skills/nonplayerskillsgdx1/bossskills/malmouthcouncil_shatteringice.dbr:271:offensiveTotalDamageReductionAbsoluteMin,0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000;36.000000,
mods/gdx1/database/records/skills/nonplayerskillsgdx1/bossskills/mindthief_icegrenadechannel.dbr:279:offensiveTotalDamageReductionAbsoluteMin,0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000;15.000000,
mods/gdx1/database/records/skills/nonplayerskillsgdx1/bossskills/mindthief_shatteringice.dbr:271:offensiveTotalDamageReductionAbsoluteMin,18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000,
mods/gdx1/database/records/skills/nonplayerskillsgdx1/bossskills/pets/turret_ekketzul_firewave.dbr:273:offensiveTotalDamageReductionAbsoluteMin,20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000,
mods/gdx2/database/records/endlessdungeon/skills/nonplayerskillsgdx1/bossskills/ekketzul_commandturret.dbr:273:offensiveTotalDamageReductionAbsoluteMin,20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;20.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000;45.000000,
mods/gdx2/database/records/endlessdungeon/skills/nonplayerskillsgdx1/traps/icetrap_shatteringice.dbr:270:offensiveTotalDamageReductionAbsoluteMin,0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000;18.000000,
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Norzan · May 12, 2021, 4:16pm

Kind of odd about Steward breath attack shutting down leech when i vividly remember leeching from it while under the DR from his breath.

Edit: Missed the part that it was modded to applied flat damage reduction.

RxJunkie · May 12, 2021, 4:29pm

@grey-maybe modded it to test the effects of flat DR on ADCtH

XandeRoot · May 13, 2021, 8:27am

Can’t say I’m surprised by this discovery, since for a long time I noticed that “reduced reflected DAMAGE” also reduces reflected debuffs. That’s why having some % reflect reduction is not a bad thing even on non-trauma/bleed characters - especially when using strong debuffs like War Cry or Flashbang, etc.

DeputyChuck · May 13, 2021, 3:51pm

Does this also apply to “% Less damage from Chtonics” too ?
And if so, do those stack when it comes to this effect ?

DeputyChuck · May 13, 2021, 4:38pm

I’ve compiled a short list of the best sources of DR in the game, so I might as well share it here.
Let me know if I missed some.

(Skills assume overcap, gear assume best possible value)

Skill	value
War cry	33
Ulzuin’s wrath	33
Ill Omen	30
Decay	30
Horn of Gandar	30
Infernal Breath	25
Aura of Censure	22
Devotions
Light of Empyrion	24
Gear
Malady (Epic 2-H Ranged)	22
Rah’Zin set	20
Arbiter (Relic)	20
“Tyrant” (Rare prefix)	19
“Of the abyss” (Rare Suffix))	18
Cataclysm set	18
Visage of Black Flames (to FoI and AAR)	18
Fleshwarped Defender (MI shield, to Judgement)	18
Rune of wretched desires	18
Myhtical Blessed torch (Epic mace)	17
Mythical Lifebinder (Epic scepter)	17
Mythical Slugger (Epic 1-H ranged)	17
Hyrian’s bullwark	16
(Many things)	15 or less

afanasenkov26 · May 13, 2021, 5:04pm

ulzuin’s wrath has 33% dr at 22/12, others seem ok

Evil_Baka · May 13, 2021, 5:08pm

Tyrant’s and Of the Abyss deserve special mention as well for giving effectively any MI weapon some amount of damage reduction.

Maska322 · May 13, 2021, 5:11pm

If you get both, do they stack? You could reach 33% dr on autoattacks holy moly.

DeputyChuck · May 13, 2021, 5:13pm

Fixed, thanks!

Added both, thanks!

DeputyChuck · May 13, 2021, 5:16pm

Just tried creating one in grimtools and it doesn’t work… It won’t accept both those affixes
No idea if that mean s it can’t spawn in-game though

Edit: Nevermind, It worked with a different base weapon:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/eZPPO0JZ

It even adds the 2 durations together