it’s a really strange thing how phys and converted phys damage interact with armor.
I have a Spellscourge battlemage and, despite of some mods for BA, 1h BA literally sucks and is good only for clearing trash mobs, while Devastation - that’s in fact converted phys damage - does the job and melts enemies.
the problem is that all small amounts of phys damage - probably all values smaller that sth like 100 flat - get tremendously shredded by armor (this also makes phys augments nearly useless).
and the fact that phys damage converted to itself bypasses armor, sounds like a complete joke.
what can be done?
lowering enemies’ armor values/phys resist.
adding armor reduction (to Oleron’s proc), on War Cry transmuter, anywhere else.
or fixing finally this odd connversion and making it work properly.
Or revise the flat physical damage items in order to give more stats. Yes they are useless I know but build needs the other stats on the gears and augments too, not just flat phys damage so buffing other stats might recover the lost damage. Or delete flat physical damage on armor completely and buff the % phys damage.
here are 2 pretty min-maxed phys builds: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/YZeBrvvN https://www.grimtools.com/calc/p25LAqyN
they both have high OA, % damage, Death Knight also has high flat damage and a -% phys RR.
but they have almost identical clear speed what sounds like a joke.
also, bumping stats has its own borders when OA (e.g.) increasing starts giving diminishing returns.
also, it’s just unhealthy when a single damage type needs litres of hormones especially for it to compete with other damage types.
Death Knight looks more powerful on sheet interesting. I’m pushing this one in SR rn, gonna open a thread for it in a few days, I’m just focused on MI farming before the new patch https://www.grimtools.com/calc/aZqP8v9V
I can reach 280k dps with buffs on sheet but the build having diffuculties againts high armor creatures. Now imagine the damage if all the flat phys damage from augments and armor calculated together before armor check. This build should reach SR 65 easily on paper but not exactly in the real game…
Maybe but I’m not having the exact damage output that stats shows either. The build has high armor, high hp, good resistances, nice attack speed, over 3k OA and DA, -102 physical RR and massive weapon damage but it’s still slow…
It does but not easily, I die a lot in boss rooms. It has low phys resist and haven’t forced more than 60 yet. I also can’t get more lifesteal without loosing the whole resistance balance or I have to give up on Azrakaa.
Then it would be a different build that requires whole different gear. But what do you exactly mean by 2H Cadence? I’m not experienced that much, I’m playing since the february with a little bit more than 800h playtime however I haven’t played with the majority of classes and builds yet.
2H cadence is in really bad state because of damage spread on 2H. Something like 120-800. So your cadence hit with 500% WD can vary from 120 * 500% to 800 * 500%. Which is very inconsistent, because your lifeleech also depends on the amount of damage you deal.
I’m aware of that but that’s nothing to do with cadence, it’s valid for all the 2H melee weapons and the skill that uses that weapon’s damage. Blade Arc or any other skill won’t change the inconsistency. Infact that makes the Cadence the best option to deal higher amount of damage occasionally, it’s like crit damage. You can’t control that yes but it’s a higher chance for higher damage. With a skill that has lower weapon damage multiplier you are still occasionally hit higher damage and lower damage.
cadence is not like blade arc. only your 3rd hit deals actuall damage, the rest is just white (regular) attacks. So being unlucky affects your survivability more, because you need to hit 3 more times to get cadence proc. Blade arc is very consistent in that case, because your next “try” is the next hit.
It’s always stable, the problem is just you hit two regular attacks before the WD multiplier. and that’s the cost of %500. Let’s calculate, let’s say I have 100 physical damage, I hit two 100 damage with regular attack then hit 500 and it’s 700 damage for three attacks. Then calculate same 100 damage with three %160 multiplier. Cadence has more damage, the problem is the weapon not the cadence.
Same goes for here. You’re all right and I’m aware all of it. If the problem is lifesteal yes, it’s inconsistant because of that two regular attacks but the third attack doesn’t change the weapon’s 144-740 damage variety. It’s the same variety with blade arc and etc. We’re talking about the damage output.
Hell that’s why 2H melee physical damage builds are insufficient in end game. The problem is the weapons’ damage variation along with the flat physical damage on the augments and gears.
This is true, kind of the reason why I’m making all these tests and posting feedback.
That is not true, in fact, the only working physical (non converted) melee builds are 2H (Blade arc). Because the base damage in ONE source is high enough to bypass the armor.
Here is the previously-best-physical-build-in-the-game.
When you use BA, you kinda deal great amount of DoT and the build you linked also has nice bleeding damage so they’re not purely physical damage builds. My build has also small amount of bleeding and a little bit more Trauma but they’re like less than %10 of the whole damage dealt by it. The reason that I made that Warlord because I want to see how to perform a physical build without high amount of DoT. I started that build as bleeding with BA and I got bored of it. Only after that I decided to change it to more physical damage.
PS: DoT with a 2h melee is too much overkill. You can just hit and run, and DoT’s don’t steal life…
The only way to get more lifesteal is this https://www.grimtools.com/calc/YZeBr7dN losing %4 as, 2.1k weapon damage(which probably lower my sheet dps 10-15k), %10 elemental resistance and 90-100 DA, 150 armor. Also lost Azrakaa proc. Gaining %5 lifesteal, %8 crit damage and 50 OA. I can try after the build thread. I could send you a message and not go off the subject in this thread but your profile is private.
