Nice way to customize your gear is not worth “Component stacking” and “benefits to crafting”. Not so sure about bounties, point about connecting different aspects of gameplay seems strong.
But: on most components you want to see some specific completion bonus (like 7% Attack Speed for Sewered Claw for most physical Cadence builds, as it gives most dps and rises ammount of Cadence procs per time). So at the best you hunt for one specific bonus, wich is ofthen the only one per component (as another builds will use another components).
So leaving this bonus as the only one will not hurt build. It may look a bit boring (as you wull get best completion bonus at 100% ratio), but on the same way it will cut some RNG and grinding part from the game, so i cant really say how good or bad it is.
But there is plenty of components that used by many classes/builds at the same time. Best example is Chains of Oleron.
Obviously right now most of builds will try to get +1 to their “main” tree, and so you will have three (at least obvious ones) ways to remake its comp.bonus :
a) Remove skilltree bonuses from it completly ( reducing total ultimate skill levels aviable in game)
b) Giving it +1 to all trees (making it even more “best in slot” than now)
c) Adding (or remaking existing ones) 5 different armor components with stats “fitting” to main trees and +1 to that tree as completion bonus (best way in my opinion, but requires alot of work just to rework one component that is not the only one) (Added : oh, and i dont take in consideration options that will require big “engine” changes like adding new scripts or changing existing ones.)
And that was most easy one. Why easy? One build still uses one component bonus. So you can predict what bonus each tree will look for. Lets go next to the Roiling Blood
If my character lacks of aether resistance , i can go for “8% Aether Resistance”, and if i need chaos res i can go for “8% Chaos Resistance”. Now it depends on my trees, build, gear and other component bonus rolls. And if i dont have proper one, Roiling Blood itself still a nice component for my rings. It is a nice example of well-made customization, and it would be sad to loose it.
Taking into consideration all that was mentioned above : “constant completion bonus” can be even better that current system, but it will require huge (in my opinion, maybe it would be easy for you devs :p) rework on current component system, so it will be focused around “finding/choosing a component” instead of current “rolling a component bonus on chosen component”. Otherwise you will cut nice way to customize character to open a way to customize your gameplay. Its not a really bad tradeoff, but i think you could do more
p.s. English is not my native language , so i feel sorry for all mistakes or wrong expressions i made at the message above. But i feel that this poll is important, as it touches really important part of gameplay (that went from TQ and proven yourself there and in GD). Hope my english knowledge is enough to leave understandable opinion.
I voted yes. It’s usually a pity to lose any customization options, but the randomness of the bonus undercuts player control anyway, so in this one case I won’t be too torn up. We already have a lot of variety in base items. It won’t hurt too much to standardize components, and it sounds like it would help in other ways.
Toss the random completion bonuses, and add some more types of components instead.
The Completion Bonus isn’t something that I would want to go away.
It adds a randomness and also a variety when it comes to different builds and reaching different goals. It also gives you the drive in searching for a specific Completion Bonus by farming them.
If it were possible I would suggest Crafting and Bounties take components from a Specific Inventory. Not all your inventory. This way you can put valuable Components with Completion Bonuses in a non crafting/bounty area to keep for items.
That or have 1 unique component bag which contains a button of each component type. Clicking on a component type would open up all components that you have of that type with arrows to go through the different completion types - right clicking on the most front component would remove it from the list or place it for crafting/bounty use.
This way it would condense inventory space by a ton and give more control as well. I’ll see about photoshoping something up to show what I mean.
In any case if there was an option I would vote for option C - which is to say look at a different solution that not only keeps what we already have but also condenses inventory management and still make use of crafting/bounty system.
Still, TQ had random completion bonuse too. I’m not against the Idea of completing the component into an item and having a fixed completion bonus and still being able to have a better completion bonus once complted into the inventory. I just don’t see how it affect the current straw poll.
No matter which arpg you play, you’ll always have mules to transfer items, unless you’re not playing much. That’s a fact. I currently have 1 mule with components that have the best completion bonuse and a couple of other mules for components with bad completions bonus for future crafting if needed. You don’t have to do what I do, the only part that you should do is having a mule with components that have a good completion bonus.
And since the B24 quiting and selecting a new char takes not even 5 secondes, it’s impressvely faster!
I think this is the best argument for removing randomization. I don’t want to collect 3-4 pieces of some super-rare component and put them together just to find that the completion bonus sucks, at least relative to what it might have been, and I have to either settle for it or grind for more and roll the dice again. I don’t want to meta-game it out either with savefiles. Better to have one bonus that makes sense and fits in with the rest of the benefits, rather than a chance for +7% fire damage on a poison component, or whatever.
In TQ I felt disappointed when the completion bonus was not satisfactory; felt like nearly every time. I never farmed so when I did have a chance to complete harder to find relics I was ecstatic…but usually disappointed with the outcome and frivolously attached them to gear or sold them; non-synergistic completion bonuses just made the relic useless to me. Eventually I just ended up using an external stash tool to auto complete to the bonus I wanted. I suppose it took the fun out of completing relics but I never found crossing my fingers to be all that fun either.
If relics could be completed without the bonus then craft an attachment for the bonus…that way I won’t have acute crossed finger syndrome anymore.
All in all this situation is the same problem I had in Firefall Closed Beta. I would spend hours gathering resources to craft a blueprint and ONLY when the completion bonus was +healing or +%energy was I happy…and man when I didn’t get the bonus I needed /internal_rage. I work at work, I don’t need to work at games to fail at getting what I worked for because of a computer miscalculation
Lol, if it were as easy as just doing something different that would be better in every way, then we wouldn’t have a poll. As it is, we can either take the option to change components for a few benefits or we can leave all the component stuff alone and just do something different with bounties, which will not necessarily be better or worse.
What I won’t sign off on though is anything that requires weeks of additional development time and which could introduce new inventory bugs. We’re beyond the point in development of doing anything like that. I need to see the game finished before I die.
So, in trying to make bounties work (which are already an unplanned feature that got added in) Zantai was having trouble with the issue of auto-choosing components again. I’m not willing to spend a bunch of programmer time on this to engineer some 3rd half-baked option, if there even is one. So, the cleanest choice would be to sacrifice randomized completion bonuses to make everything else work. I’m ambivalent about it, so I suggested we put it to a poll, since I could see people potentially being upset at the loss and felt like the community should have a voice in deciding the outcome.
It’s a choice though. Either you lose the random bonuses and everything else works a little smoother, or you keep them and everything works like it does. There’s no 3rd magic option where you get it all and it costs nothing.
I sort of like the fact that we do not have GDVault yet for this very reason…TQVault made it too tempting to not only clone the best completed component, but never pick up another component again once you got it.
cant believe you people are giving up character customization in a game that already lacks character customization. And for what a little more inventory space (when you already have unlimited inventory space) & a very small QOL change to crafting. :rolleyes::(:mad:
Unless we come up with some ingenious solution, and we can only vote on these two options, I clearly vote yes. I can see the appeal of random completion bonuses for players, who farm a lot to optimize their favorite chars. But I prefer playing self-found and do little farming.
Regardless of the bounty system and the other pros, completion bonuses just add tedium to the gameplay for me. I’d rather have a static strong bonus, than having to think about, which e.g. Chipped Claw I should use now and which one I should save up for later. Or if I need a specifc completion bonus, I basically have to scan each and every one in my inventory and stash.
Having this part streamlined, would add to my enjoyment. If that means, that it will be harder to get some of the rarer resistances, then other parts of the game can be re-balanced accordingly. I see an opportunity here to create more components, which you might only acquire through crafting and can be useful for niche builds - e.g. Chipped Claw + Mutagenic Ichor = Putrefied Claw.
I assume the random completion bonus will be removed from relics, too, so that these can be autoselected for crafting.
Another aspect of this change seems to be, that item affixes might become more important, as you cannot stack completion bonuses as you have been able to.
And even if we lose an option to customize our chars in this respect, I have the feeling that Devotion will make up for it.
First you have 1 area where it shows icons of all components.
Then you click on a component (in this case Corpse Dust).
Which brings up the component with arrows which can be pressed to cycle through all completion bonuses. With this pop up enabled you can then sell components that you do not want, use them for crafting, or turning in a bounty (should that work) via right click. Unless the bounty system it just takes the component from wherever and doesn’t have a spot to place it in (like crafting). Perhaps right clicking in the transfer stash will move a component to that spot so you can give it to another character.
In any case getting rid of completion bonuses would just get rid of more customization and therefore options when it comes to builds. However this idea may be a bit tedious though.
For myself I have no problem with hoarding components - if getting a bounty which needs a component could have a spot for you to put that said component would work that would be the best option for me.
Plus hoarding items in general is something that I believe was frowned upon by medierra - since I remember a thread in which case people wanted unlimited inventory space. Having such space would just mean more clutter and wouldn’t that apply to this situation as well? If people want to hoard components that is their choice. I don’t use transfer stash files or mules. Only 1 page is full of rare components while the others are for items (including personal inventory page). Main character inventory only contains primary components in which I usually keep 2 of each kind.
One of the things I really like is completion bonuses. Taking them away would negatively impact character customization. And this has to do with bounties, which we have not yet experienced, so I question why we would be asked to pass judgment when that is the case.
Take away completion bonuses, and the game loses some of its character and charm in the customization the game offers. I vote no. I would ask that you devs, regardless of what the poll shows in the end, have more discussions internally with the thoughts of the community’s posts in this thread in mind.
What do you mean by this? Do you mean specific base components (ie: severed claw) or specific components with a specific completion bonus (ie: severed claw with +10 OA)?
I would image the former. If so…
Why not just pop up a list showing the base component type and then let the user choose which one to provide?
You solved it for crafting, why not simply have me choose the component to hand over instead of randomly taking one out of my inventory ?
While there are many bonuses I do not really care for much, a single one per component is rather limiting to me. There are at least 3 or 4 I like / choose from for each component.
Whatever more individual bonuses you could do, you also could do as random bonuses.
Storage / stacking I do not really care for at all.
Well said! Your solution is quite similar to Jakenets one.
…But the hoarding is not really recognized by developers to be existing for a majority of ARPG players throughout the time. Kind of healthy ignored so to say (4 tabs is perfect aso, but this was always a general devproblem it seems)
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