So the tests that show that clearing speed with Oleron and without it but with better/safer devotion map are the same don’t count? Or I somehow didn’t try hard with Oleron spec or purposefully misplayed it?
You do remember the statements made, right? I did mention that no oleron spec was practically the same, but i still didn’t use ghoul so it was squishier than oleron setup. Then you made tests and arrived at your conclusions. But then the difference was ghoul. Do note that the oleron map I used had a lot of flex points to allow ghoul but I didn’t get it on purpose. It’s not right to blame the squishiness on the devotion map with oleron when it can be easily adjusted to include ghoul.
Get a room, you two.
We’re making the following tweaks in v1.1.4.2:
- Blind Fury: replaced Pierce damage and Physical Resist Reduction with Physical damage and increased % Attack Speed Reduction
- Light of Empyrion: now triggers off of any hit, rather than just melee hits
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Well, I am confused now. I thought the whole point of not taking Ghoul was to afford Oleron together with Azraaka, Ulzaad and Soldier. Apparently you can do them all but you didn’t do it because of the personal preference?
But anyway, Zantai saw our bickering and buffing Oleron. Although activation still stays on “critical” I am guessing.
And do try my spec if you have time, it turned out to be pretty fast despite lack of Belgo relic.
This is really big, thanks.
That was Safarel’s reasoning, IIRC since he got the soldier proc. But I skipped the proc and didn’t need ghoul during 1.0.3.0 so I just didn’t adjust the devo setup aside from removing soldier proc. Soldier nodes aren’t really impressive since Azrakaa now exists and can now be easily removed
@Zantai please get us one 
Oleron discussion over already? Wait!
It’s about T3 but I think it’s time to buff Wolverine. Give it 5% da and some useful res like the Tower has. This would naturally buff devos such as Leviathan, Oleron, Seekers, etc.
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I just can’t walk pass that crit and flat, and Piercers are so starved on crit.
You can chime in with your experience with it if you have one.
Yeah, Wolverine could use it, +1. Still wouldn’t make Oleron an optimal devotion route for physical or pierce builds, but it would make it more competitive. Not sure about Leviathan tho - it’s almost impossible for cold build to be good with it when you can build full Amatok + Dying God + Revenant + Ultos.
I only see attack seru on pet build. This constellation have some hefty requirements for either elemental or aether build.
Thanks a lot!
After the change will test them both. Oleron on my FW build instead of Azraaka and Empyrion on Shieldbreaker.
About side discussion about purple route, biggest culprit is Empty throne. Other than the first node everything else is useless. Nowadays you have so many sources of resistances. It will be much better if the nodes gives either CC or physical resistance.
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Thank you for these improvements.
Also consider changing other unpopular constellations, including purple, at the same time.
Especially Dire Bear (Activation rate and points earned are too bad. The tree is good.), Tempest (I have never used it except for one build. Very bad), Autumn. Boar (same as Tempest), Crab. (Why is Elemental? And Proc is not the worst, but it will run out in the second half.)
Little reflection on the topic.
Look at Abominable Might. This is the most powerful dmg buff in the whole devo map (maybe except Dying God or Mogdrogen for pets). But does it feel op? Not at all and quite the opposite. Why? Because 18 green gimps chaos a lot.
Now, most devotions mentioned in this thread - like Leviathan, Tempest, etc. - aren’t bad per se. It’s just their affinity requirements make them underpowered. So buffing them accordingly would not break the game. Just like Abominable Might doesn’t break the game despite being ridiculously powerful. If it needed blue instead of green - then it would be a different thing. So as long as elemental devos need a lot purple they can hardly ever be op. Don’t have to be shy on buffs there.
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Quite shy on buffs I agree. I do welcome any buff and Light of Empyrion is awesome! But just to say after the armor penalty is taken into account this is a small buff to Oleron that won’t change much. Attack speed reduction isn’t that useful either but I guess and hope this one of situations where balance is done in baby steps.
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How about giving Chance for target to Fumble attacks to Oleron Proc?
Can cover somewhat of the 2h build vitreous that uses Orelon without Nightblade (or without the Circle of Slaughter).
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Well the lore describes a reckless assault from a God who is thought to have wanted to die. Fumble and even slower attacks don’t seem to fit that to me.
In comparison, Tainted eruption on the same constellation is an acid staple because green path is so good for acid. Abominable might won’t be picked much by chaos since the only things you want for chaos on the way are solael and fiend. Doesn’t help that the proc on the other side is also better (tho according to you guys post buff abom is so good, haven’t tried it).
There are two ways to do it - buff the path or buff the t3 constellation. On abom I prefer the first cause but on oleron I prefer the latter (which is already being addressed by Zantai). I feel like buffing too much purple route won’t do for oleron simply because Azrakaa is also purple.
Generic constellations in green and purple feel terrible to me, which mostly leads me to ignore T3s such as Yugol, Sage, Seru, Leviathan and Oleron.
Benefit/point spent on Wolverine and Spider feels bad, Throne feels like it’s lacking some phys res and DA, Raven is downright atrocious and can’t even hold up to the very decent Candle.
Going past 10 green feels only worthwhile on fire and acid. Even the 3-4 purple points for Crown tend to make me choose Revenant instead in some occasions.
Change preview on Light of Empyrion is great. Low %chance on being melee hit procs are completely unreliable, some not-so-popular pants still have those.
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If i may invervene in Oleron discussion (Zantai, thanks for the change btw).
You guys are trying to discuss the power of a single proc based on, what, 5 runs? As a mathematician i can say this is pointless. Crucible run, with different enemy selection, mutators and mob behavior bugs, is unstable by itself and such things like big AoE from Oleron proc that triggers on crit makes the dmg output even more unstable. How many times, in those better runs, Oleron helped to clear the pack faster by triggering several times at the right moment? How many times, in worse runs, you just happened to not crit at the right time to spend more time on clearing the pack? You need like 50 runs with the same setup to judge the power of the proc based on the picture alone. Of course, no one is doing 50 runs and the judgement is mostly based on personal experience and feeling of the game.
My first char, phys 2H DK, used Oleron. Imo the constellation with proc are kinda ok but the path to it is super trash for phys builds. I switched to Dying God + Aeon and got much better performance (on a phys build ffs!) So i would rather see purples buffed than trying to buff the Oleron endgoal to justify the existing shitty path.
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Not sure what kind of “packs” you are talking about. The only way trash can slow down a build with target time at 7- min runs is by bugging at spawn point. 5 runs is more that enough to say if the setup clear faster or slower. When the big bunch gang-bank you at key waves a few lucky or unlucky crits dont matter at all.
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What do you mean what packs? People don’t go for AoE skills for no reason. When the argument is about seconds, every lucky sequence of crit rolls that helps to clear packs of heroes or to finish boss gangs faster matters. The proc is inconsistent, and if “several lucky crits” don’t matter that’s like saying the proc doesn’t matter for dmg output.
All i’m saying is it’s important to use the very numbers of bonuses you get from the path when arguing about it’s viability. Path to Oleron is weak and this is what makes Oleron the problem.
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