SPOILER ALERT: Lore Discussion

Grim Dawn General Discussion
1891

maybe its because back in the glorious days of korvan empire, people are allowed to worship empyrion aside from korvaak (since empyrion is korvaak’s brother and they appear to be close allies against the void. also, ulzuin is a son of empyrion that became korvaak’s right hand).
or maybe its just caused by crate’s limited resources.

that being said, i wonder how arkovian and erulan empire is related to the ancient korvan empire. is korvan empire’s territory includes the region of arkovia and erulan empire? or does their territory belong to another unmentioned empire that exists in korvan empire’s period? does empyrion’s worshippers have stronger establishment in this unmentioned empire? who knows.

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1892

I believe the Arkovia was present at the same time of the Korvan empire and Erulan was just small (maybe just a few tribesman according to Mogdrogen).

Judging from the notes of Rion the Scholar, some religious practices look similar to other civilizations.

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1893

small erulan tribal states according to mog? where’s that quote? maybe i overlooked something from mog conversations.

true. this is some relevant quotes from rion’s 5th entry:

“What I have learned thus far is truly fascinating. As far back as I can go, there seems to be no inconsistency to his presence or domain, no evolution of his worship. It is as if the core of the Korvan religion had somehow remained pure since its inception, quite unusual. It is that or its founders had put a great deal of effort into obscuring its true origins. The texts I’ve perused make it seem as though their rites and rituals are performed today as they were when first prescribed centuries ago.”

"The Eldritch Sun is depicted both as the blessed flame and the dreadful terror of destruction. It seems he is both adored and feared by those that show him reverence, and with good reason; though Korvaak is generally depicted as benevolent to his followers, there are numerous records of disasters or outright cleansings that were attributed to the god’s retribution for mortals displeasing him. "

"Some of these events seem eerily familiar, though I cannot recall why. I suspect there are similar mythos which I have been exposed to in nearby regions. There are also a number of rituals which bear a remarkable similarity to primitive practices I have researched in the past. "

"This leads me to wonder if there are other tribes and civilizations that have been worshiping Korvaak since antiquity, but perhaps by a different name. This is a matter which will necessitate further investigation. "

those similarities in rituals through the ages just from looking at korvaak’s ritual makes me feel that some deities in gd are worshipped by many civilizations with different names. example: mogdrogen is ultos, the shepherd of storms worshipped by arkovian. yet he’s also the god of beasts and wilderness that is the patron god of the rhowari.

i wonder if empyrion got any other aliases. afaik the only civilization with clear lores of empyrion is cairn. arkovian empire lore notes doesn’t mention empyrion. and korvan empire’s lore notes only provides two or something notes that mentioned empyrion.

1894

Cairn is the world. Erulan is just a part of that world.

If you talk with Mogdrogen in Asterkarn Valley:

You would threaten an Ascendant? One who was old when Erulan was but a few tribesmen

In the notes from Rion the Scholar, there is also a part where he reading about Korvaak being a usurper. I believe Solael was already busy trying to erase reverence to Korvaak.

1895

yeah i sometimes misplaced erulan empire with planet cairn. probably because the word CAIRN always shows up in the center of the world map.

that’s what i’m looking for. that definitely means the ancient erulan tribesman worshipped empyrion when they are just a small neighbourly tribes near arkovian empire (which deity is the master patron of arkovian empire? rattosh?), while korvan empire ruled across the sea to the east.
but this mog line also states that he’s an Ascendant. mog is both a titan an ascendant? the two titles can overlap? also more importantly, who created mogdrogen…

yes, this is written in part 6 of rion’s journal:

"I have made a startling discovery while on my latest foray into the Korvan texts. While exploring the vast collection of the Korvan City Library, I briefly escaped the attention of its stewards and found my way to a closed-off archive. Among ancient birth records of some of the most prestigious Korvan families, several ascendants included, I unearthed a collection of texts that appear to shatter some of the core tenets of the very faith that is central to these people’s lives. "

"A large number of the pages were badly damaged, as if whatever ward cast upon them had violently(this is so solael) dissipated. Strangely, the parchment itself appeared newer than some of the records I’ve seen; perhaps someone had restored a damaged record at a later date. The bits that I could make out, however, painted a very different account of the early years of the Korvan faith. "

"Korvaak himself was shown as a usurper (Ahem. trio witches. who’s the usurper here? seriously?), a conqueror of a realm he had no part in making. It is not entirely clear if the Korvaak that is spoken of today is even the same one described in those texts or whether that is the name given to the master of the Eldritch Throne. "

"Another curiosity was the description of the upheaval involved in such a transition of power, a whirlwind of creation and destruction within which were caught the unfortunate believers (does solael rewrite this part? to make korvaak looks like the bad guy that usurp the eldritch throne from the 3 and causes the eruption of korvan lands? or is this genuinely an ominous warning from korvaak for what will happen if someone usurp his throne). Sadly, before I could complete my analysis of the text, one of the stewards discovered my presence in the closed-off archive and promptly chased me out of the building (great job for not detecting solael snooping there oh great steward). "

i added my thoughts in italic there. also, the emissary of the 3 forcefully (and unconvincingly) states that korvaak is a liar and usurper of the eldritch throne when the taken says that korvaak states he is the true owner of the throne. is the emissary blind to the machinations of the 3 here? or he knows of it and approve it without complaint…

1896

Vire seems to be the patron god of Arkovia.

See this misadventure: Grim Misadventure #116: Arkovian Skies

I think the whirlwind of creation and destruction might be the war of the gods.

Well it’s unclear what a titan actually is, i believe a very strong ascendant/god. I believe the Arkovian gods are somewhat responsible for that. Mainly because of Mogdrogen’s involvement with king Rowan leaving his throne.

The Witch Gods want people to keep following and believing in them as true gods. Korvaak got more followers though Kymon and gotten stronger because of that.

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1897

5 major arkovian gods. with only mogdrogen as the arkovian god who survive from the war of the gods. sounds fishy there… it feels like coincidence that war of the gods and uroboruuk’s curse banished the arkovian gods and destroy the arkovian empire, while mogdrogen and the rovers survive. mog seems to know uroboruuk will destroy the arkovian empire (judging by his asterkarn avatar ominously saying grim dawn is predicted to happen beyond mortal understanding a long time ago. also his ugdenbog avatar seems to know a lot about the cycle of life and death in the universe which includes the celestial beings.

honestly this makes mogdrogen seems SIMILAR to dreeg.

mog usurp the arkovian throne by rescuing king rowan and his followers and wait until the war of the gods+uroboruuk curse wipe out the arkovian empire (SOUNDS SIMILAR TO THE DESTRUCTION OF KORVAN LANDS), thereby mog is free to pick up the pieces and mold arkovian as he see fit! (nomadic civilization that protects nature). A PACIFIST TAKEOVER.

dreeg and his colleagues usurp the eldritch throne to control mankind’s destiny as they see fit. A VIOLENT COUP TAKEOVER.

also, the purpose of the aetherial faction that invades cairn makes them a rebellious faction like dreeg and mog. they want to be recognized for their work aiding the gods as servants in war of the gods against the void. yet they are banished (by which gods?) to the aetherhold. they want to takeover cairn because cairn is partially created by them helping the gods, so cairn is rightfully theirs to use against the void. and they want to become part of the living again. since their banishment to the aetherhold nulled their feelings (making them live like a undead/robot/construct) feels like this aetherial faction want to become gods of cairn. just look at theodin, krieg and cronley.

so we can see that grim dawn is basically another war of the gods to vie for control over all creations according to the whims of the winner…

“Commonly depicted in Arkovian lore as the matron of the gods, and thus the mightiest, the Stone Matron represented Cairn itself, the fortitude and strength of stone, unmoving against even the greatest odds.”

well. seems like she is the matron god of arkovia.

but wait, this description makes vire SIMILAR to MENHIR.

menhir is sometimes described as the spirit of cairn itself (my conclusion based on his constellation and menhir items).

Maybe VIRE SURVIVE the war of the gods, and she’s masquerading as menhir but went into hiding herself (probably because of all the devastation that happened in cairn around time of grim dawn).

also, the emissary of the 3 is a former priest of menhir himself. yet after dreeg shows him many truths of the universe, he switch allegiance to dreeg because now THE EMISSARY KNOWS VIRE/MENHIR is weak and unreliable (maybe went into hibernation) since her/his defeat in war of the gods alongside empyrion and korvaak, and also since the destruction of arkovian empire. the emissary knows dreeg and his colleagues is the real deal now that has the power to guarantee mankind’s survival.

heh. when i see how the oathkeeper skill tree seems to have many transmute for vire/empyrion related skills (physical, fire, internal trauma) into dreeg related skills (acid, vitality), i know there’s some hidden lore in there that the game wants to tell us.
these theories about the cycle of power in grim dawn universe and how dreeg and the duo ex lover usurp the eldritch throne cement the theory that the age of empyrion/korvaak/vire/menhir has passed. this is the age of the 3 witch gods. mogdrogen and the aetherial invaders can only watch in sidelines. those two faction’s don’t have the capability to command cairn’s people against the void. the 3 witch gods are the leaders here (unless crate have other hidden faction that wants to usurp the 3 in gd2. or Ulgrim is secretly empyrion/ulzuin or whatever).

1898

Whoa! there take a breath first and a bit of gas back :wink:

From a conversation with Mogdrogen:

The wheels set in motion to culminate in what you call the Grim Dawn have been spinning for far longer than your short life.

Even one such as I could not have foreseen the events that transpired that day.

Mogdrogen probably came to inform king Rhowan, that the Arkovian gods are gone or left. So the Arkovian empire is left without their protection. The Oligarchs that controlled Arkovia after their king left, were the ones that banned and prosecuted Necromancers.

The Eldritch throne is quite different than the Arkovian throne :wink: I think Mogdrogen tried to do his part. The remaining gods and Ascendents must have made some agreement to their involvement with creation. So that the gods stopped fighting each other.

Aetherials were stripped of their physical forms and banished to the aether. Not all Aetherials knows about the Grim Dawn in the Aetherhold, and may not like the way that is happening now.

1899

yes, i need to slow down there.

well from what we gather of mog’s decision to tell king rhowan about the truth of what’s going on and what will happen, he seems to be genuinely want to help the wise person king rhowan survive the inevitable destruction that will come (seems like mog doesn’t really have a hand in the uroboruuk curse. most likely he just saw a glimpse of it in some vision from the gods). mog himself want to survive to. and a celestial godlike being like him need followers to survive and have some control in the events happening on cairn. he really cares about the wildlife of cairn. he’s one of the benevolent deity left that can somewhat aid humanity against threats to come.

about eldritch throne and arkovian throne… yeah. they do experience a change in power. yet the eldritch throne got usurped, while the arkovian throne was left empty (king rhowan really feels like prophets from real life holy texts that led few pious survivor escape from calamities that happens upon civilization of grave sinners).

aetherials have many factions from what anasteria, korinia and hagarrond tells us. i wish we could meet the other civil aetherial factions in the future. or even visit aetherhold itself. the aetherial big picture is still missing much without them. maybe there are some gods/ascendants that reside in the aetherhold.

and about vire is menhir theory, it could also be that menhir is a deity/ascendant with close association to vire. we see that empyrion and korvaak is brothers, and they both share similar affinities (fire, sun, light).

from all those lore reveals in gd, i now picture the celestial beings of grim dawn as super advanced alien space-faring races like the old gods in wh40k/xel’naga in starcraft/star trek federation. they have the power to mold planets/stars, yet they also have the power to destroy what they’ve created, intentionally or not. its like watching science shows about several aliens hidden in spaceship orbiting a planet, debating whether to uplift the primitives on the planet/just observe them/enslave them/experiment on them.

1900

Huh, so this is what happens when you keep Hargate’s formula - you can find an Aether crystal in the Infestation and create your crystal pet. Is it the same thing you would normally get from Kasparov? I never kept the formula, so I did not try this.
https://grimdawn.gamepedia.com/Hargate’s_Mysteries

1901

You just get a different colored crystal as a minipet that’s all.

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1902

I was going to make a topic about finding lore notes, but I see this thread exists.

I was just thinking about that warm fuzzy feeling I get whenever I smack a book case and a lore note falls out. I’ve always loved that about this game. Normally I wouldn’t give two shits about lore in a video game, but there’s something about GD lore notes that makes me keep reading them, and stitching the stories together.

For example, I accidentally destroyed a bookcase in Burrwitch Estates with a cocktail and a note that said ‘Warning Groble Attacks on the Rise’ popped out. I don’t think I’ve ever read that one. It’s just a really cool way to feel immersed in the world of Cairn. I didn’t know Grobles were such sneaky thieves, and were apparently not so violent at one point in time. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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1903

lore notes can also drop from breakable items other than bookcase in certain locations. i’ve found some lore notes from some ancient urns in some forgotten gods areas that i’ve forgot the name of.

i think grobles are just nuisance to the erulan empire long ago. but they’ve become bold once dranghoul beastmen starts leading them into attacking some borderlands of erulan empire. there are too few lores about the grobles and dranghouls, so i personally just consider them normal tribal beastmen that sometimes get in your way but not worth putting much concern. grobles do inhabit a lot of areas though. with strong connections to the elements (sky groble, snake groble, earth groble, death groble, etc).

1904

So now that I am helping the Dreeg Cult, and after defeating Ishtak the Mind Reaper (though given what it did, should have been called the Mind Raper)… Man, the Seers of Dreeg are suddenly making more sense.
Turns out all the violent visions of Korvan City burning and everyone dying a fiery death again was all from Ishtak. He set out in a pocket of the Eldritch Realm and sent false visions to torment the Witch God followers. Even the other 2 cult’s members could feel them as feelings of unease. After you kill Ishtak, even Nailene, who just ranted about death before, is calm and (more) collected.
Also, seems Ishtak did not just die, same as the Messenger he just fled in an incorporeal form, and possessed a Seer, that’s why we get a hex-stone and a quest to track them both down.
Ah and the Witch boss in the Tomb of Horran was also one of the Seers driven mad by Ishtak - you get a quest to kill her since she fled. Later we learn it was really not her fault… I am guessing with Korvaak awakening, he could co-opt some of Dreeg’s prophecy powers.
Oh and Draellus really almost stumbles and says something like “Umm, I have other tasks. I mean Dreeg has given me other tasks! We are totally not the same, honest!” when you ask him why he is not helping in the battle. :smiley:

1905

we should not forget that it is KORVAAK in the 1st place who give dreeg the prophetic powers before the trio witch usurpers allied together. of course Korvaak still has some of that power to be given to worthy followers.

about draellus stumbling when denying his real identity, i noticed byscilla also do that at one point when asked about what bysmiel’s doing. she said " The… schemer", that triple dot (…) hesitation is very noticeable since she usually speaks fluently and confidently.

that reminds me, in one of the lore note in conclave of the 3, the one that is written by a promising dreeg cultist who dreams about yugol, she describe something ominous from draellus’ (i mean dreeg) expression:

"#Visions of Terror:
This place we have chosen for our vigil, this Conclave, it is a cursed land! The veil screams in agony. The whispers from beyond threaten to unravel reality.

Every night I’ve spent here, the visions of the other side came more frequently, and with greater clarity. What I first thought were images of darkness turned out to be much more. Within it were the screams of a million souls, crying out to me. Crying out for mercy. As my dreams solidified, I realized that the darkness moved. It writhed like a mass of tentacles endlessly searching for something. The sight of it filled me with terror beyond anything I’ve ever felt. I awoke gasping for breath and grasping for anything within reach that would remind me that I’ve left the dream, to the chagrin of my fellow seers sharing the tent.

Shaken and unable to sleep, I sought the wisdom of the Oracle. To my surprise, or perhaps I should have expected this, my master was already waiting for me inside his tent. Lanterns illuminated him in their flickering light as he sat cross-legged, without his usual regalia, on a rug with tea set out for us. As he stared ahead with his blank eyes, he gave me a tight-lipped smile and motioned for me to sit.

Before I could utter a word, he said: Yugol. I was taken aback and blinked. The Oracle continued by describing exactly what I had seen in my dreams, as if he had been there to share them with me. The Insatiable Night, he called it, the eternal darkness that exists in the beyond. It is primordial, unfathomable to the human mind. We see it as a mass of writhing tentacles, but what it truly is cannot be described in words. Yugol exists to consume everything, its endless pursuit halted only by the light of the celestial stars.

I was told that it is a gift and a burden to bear witness to the makings of reality. What I had seen cannot be unseen. When I started visibly shaking, the Oracle placed his palm upon my forehead and for a moment I could swear his eye tattoos were staring at me. Yet I found myself instantly calmed.

When I asked what he had done, he would not say, but he offered to teach me a technique to calm myself and banish the darkness from my nightmares. It is a lucid method by which I would conjure my own stars into the dream, brighter than the desert sun.

I thanked him for his wisdom and promised to return the next eve for my lesson. As I stood to leave, I glanced in his direction. He was staring ahead, as before, a somber expression on his face. His tea remained untouched. I said no more and closed the tent flap behind me.

It would seem my visions have disturbed the Oracle as well, but I trust that his judgment and foresight will carry us through whatever darkness looms on the horizon. I pray to Dreeg that the Oracle’s teachings will spare me further nightmares."

I bolded relevant sentences to emphasis my point about Draellus/Dreeg’s trepidation & grim admittance toward Yugol’s threat, and his calm/kind/fatherly assurance to the occultist, because he seems to be wishing this occultist to be strong enough to bear the burden of knowing Yugol’s existence.

Draellus/Dreeg’s lucid method of conjuring your own star into the dream that is brighter than the desert sun seems very analogically simbolical to the fact of how the 3 witches struggle to usurp korvaak and gain the eldritch throne & eldritch sun. It would seem that the 3 are really serious about using eldritch realms’ power to aid humanity against yugol (and chthonians and aetherials and unreasonable celestials)

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1906

Yeah, and ultimately that’s why I am OK with aiding them against Korvaak. Yes, they stole that power undeservedly from a true Primordial god… But said god was a pampered, petty being prone to rages when his desires were not met or when not worshipped enough. Just check the lore notes on Horran and how he made the guy live forever with the guilt of killing his wife as a sacrifice to Korvaak (after he refused and wanted to kill himself instead). Or what he did to Rhenet who yes, deserved to be taken down a peg, but all the people who worshiped him being turned to rats? Those people still worshiped Korvaak as their prime god… That’s right down to biblical old testament God levels of “seven times seven generations” punishment levels of scorn.
Dreeg and the others might got their powers by dirty means, but they use it to save their followers and humanity itself from greater powers, while other gods just sit idly by, like Mogdrogen.

Btw, wanted to ask… the Korvan Expedition notes. There are only 4 entries? The last one where they imprison their “babysitter” Luminari (or Aetherial possessed) in the tomb and then reach the city, and then… how does it end? By the end it seems to be that Roderick and his buddy were in search of power, not treasure. They refer to it in detail… so they might came to get at the Eldritch Throne too?
And this happened in the past, for sure, as the city was described as cooled volcanic stone spires and jagged rock. As opposed to how Amal and his friend saw the valley when they arrived in present time (since they say Kymon’s group) and were consumed by magma.
EDIT: Oh I forgot, there was a final and rather disappointing entry to this chain of diaries - they simply found nothing. I guess with Korvaak imprisoned, none of his currently displayed powers were present.

One more thing I am wondering about… the Ascendants, Rahn, Atepth, Horran, etc. I wonder what became of them when Korvaak was imprisoned. Maybe they lost their god-like powers and became mortals, since ultimately it all came from Korvaak? Or maybe some betrayed him and decided to serve the Witch Gods? Maybe the Emissary is one of them…

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1907

that’s why the game railroad us and the taken to ally with the 3 witches. because they might be deceptive and cruel, but they care for humankind. while the celestials are mostly selfish, unreasonable and vindictive. mogdrogen being the exception, since he genuinely cares for cairn’s wilderness and the rhowari. empyrion and menhir seems decent, but we never see their avatars/residual consciousness in game, there are also some decent celestials in lore, but they are obscure like empyrion and menhir.

their journey comes to an empty end. because korvaak’s imprisoned and they don’t know it. if only erulan empire knows about korvaak’s fate, they might want to interrogate korvaak, at least to find out what really happened to empyrion and his allies.

yeah i wonder about that too. no concrete evidence of their final fate so far. i do wonder what is the relations between Dreeg-Osyr, Bysmiel-Ateph, and Solael-Irrah, since the 3 witches has revered-level faction augments that strongly depends on the power of the 3 aforementioned ascendants. the only ascendant with decent info is Ateph, who is the personification of moon. and has old rivalry with Rahn, who is the personification of sun. it is also worth noting that the secret map room of rahn can only be accessed if you join solael’s cult and accept his honor-level faction quest.

1908

For those who haven’t read it:

Korvan Expedition - Final Entry

Were the tales of Korvan legends untrue? Were we led astray by false promises? What of the white-hot energy that once warmed the foundations of Korvan City?

There is nothing, no revelation, no great power. The temple runs cold, its heart a hardened mass of blackened glass. The great god who once dwelt here is gone. To where? I do not know. His fate is irrelevant to me. I care only for the power that lingered here and it is all gone.

I am alone now, a lifetime of work and friendship gone…wasted. Roderick lies dead, struck down by the ancient guardian of this place; the only indication that this place was ever worth a damn. Roderick gave his life so that I could reach the heart of the temple. His sacrifice was rendered pointless as the history that led us here proved to be no more than fables. I am certain a great power dwelt here once but it is long gone, perhaps claimed by another.

There is nowhere left for me to go, no reason for me to pursue an existence beyond these walls. And so I shall perish here as well, with the knowledge that my life’s work, my very purpose, was to waste. Or perhaps I should return to the guardian that felled my friend and allow it to take me as well, a final tribute to the Eldritch Sun of old.

1909

O.K. So I seem to be missing something in my timeline here.

-In the beginning there was Ch’thon.
-Ch’thon was deposed by his children the Primordials, lead by Empyrion (see Kronos in Greek mythology).
-The new Primordial Gods use the Blood of Ch’thon to fashion all mortal life.
-The Primordials rule humanity, again lead by Empyrion (see Zeus in Greek mythology).
-The dominant Primordials were Empyrion and Korvak, both Gods of Light.
This is the Golden Age of Cairn. The Gods walk among men, miracles are common, the Gods are largely benevolent. The darker beings are locked firmly away (as Ravager informs the player when questioned about his hatred for Mogdrogen).
-SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAPPENS HERE
-Empyrion is gone. Korvac and Ulzuin are terribly wounded. Once benevolent Gods are now increasingly cruel and distant. Their power is but a shadow of what it once was. The last lore entry mentions enemies and the Primordials tapping into a forbidden power to defeat them. Either the unnamed enemies defeat them anyway, or the forbidden power destroys/corrupts them.
-The wounded and twisted Primordials continue to rule for some time, maybe decades, maybe centuries, maybe even longer. It’s unclear.
-In this time the Gods no longer walk Cairn and Mogdrogen withdraws from Humanity almost entirely. Korvac tries to regenerate in the Eldritch Realm.
-The Witch Gods rise. They supplant the twisted and wounded Primordials who are still far too weak and/or apathetic to stop them.
-The Aetherials begin their preparations for invasion.
-The Witch Gods do not hold Ch’thon or the Aetherials in check. It is unclear whether this is through ignorance, apathy, or lack of ability. Both Ch’thon and the Aetherials grow steadily in strength throughout this time
-THE GRIM DAWN HAPPENS HERE-
-Long forgotten and suppressed Gods begin to rise.
-The Gods once again walk Cairn and miracles are common.
-But not in a good way.

So, my question here is, what happened between the Golden Age of Cairn and the Rise of The Witch Gods?
Who were the Primordials fighting against (and loosing, badly, it would seem)?
My thought (based purely on speculation) is that Yugol is at the root of everything happening here.
I’ve re-read pretty much all of the Lore I’ve found and come up zilch. I’ve gone through hundreds of entries in this list (all 1900+ entries will have to wait until I have a LOT more time, maybe when I retire in 30 years :wink: ) and found nothing else.
So, anyone know what I’ve missed here? Or is it not in game yet?

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1910

the witch gods does know about grim dawn and tried to held it in check by using dreeg’s future vision and bysmiel’s web of informant. bysmiel’s web does suffer almost complete destruction when grim dawn happens, but there’s still remnant of it working with what they can after gd. the eldritch catastrophe happened at the covenant of the 3 in east marsh adds a lot of problems to the 3 so they went into hiding to build up their strength against korvaak/aetherials/chthonians. there are some lore notes in conclave of the 3 where solael states that bysmiel’s web should be capable of holding the aetherials and chthonians for a while until the korvaak threat is dealt with.

the primordials (empyrion’s group) lost against their brethren who taps into the forbidden dark power of the void in the war of the gods. most of are banished into the far away celestial tapestry (probably another galaxy), destroyed, or went into hiding. korvaak got weakened by this lost of war too, and the 3 witches start their coup against korvaak due to dreeg’s vision of what’s the best path for humanity to reign supreme.

in the beginning of war of the gods, the primordials fight amongst themselves due to jealousy and hunger for supremacy. then some primordials started to use the forbidden and corrupting power of the void, which also meant they join the imprisoned and tortured chthon to fight against empyrion’s group. empyrion’s group got defeated and scattered all over the place.

maybe. the primordials and celestials are aware of yugol’s threat (based on yugol constellation’s description). dreeg is also aware of it (vision of terror lore note in conclave of the 3), but there is no concrete evidence that yugol is behind everything. yugol just appear suddenly in forgotten gods lore and stay in obscurity most of the time. it is very likely however that yugol will be a major threat in grim dawn 2 or something in future content.

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