Its not like they chose to be born in that place or be born with that blood. But it puts them into “blood for Chthon” category regardless. Some choices are not made willingly. Feel free to suicide yourself if you don’t agree, as someone over there might say.
True, this is because every being in Cairn apart from Aetherials has his blood in his veins. But really, can even him judge living beings such as people without knowing them? We need Empytion on his void ass again.
Also, there was a certain individual who actually broke free…
About Ch’thon:
He feels the pain and suffering from all mortal things that were given life from his blood. I wonder would he also feel the happy things from their lives?
He was betrayed by his children, i wonder if all primordial gods are his children and if others are derived from that.
From the game guide: Primordial beings embody the powers of creation, life, death, and reality itself. Wouldn’t that imply that other primordial gods could have created life etc. themselves, without the use of the blood of Ch’thon?
With the newest misadventure hinting towards Ultos being the only Arkovian deity still being worshipped, I’m now semi-convinced that Moggy and Ultos are one and the same. Strange that Moggy denies the existence of Uro. Maybe he’s having sour grapes that a “mere mortal” can curse an entire empire that worships them and there is nothing his pantheon can do to reverse it.
Rattosh is definitely aether-focused. Aetherials came from behind the veil and even Anasteria alludes to teaching the first arcanists how to tap the veil.
Edit: I’ve read the discussion on the previous pages. While it is true that we do not know the rationale for the gods ganging up on Chthon, without furthur lore to prove otherwise, Chthon is in the right to demand back his blood.
Think about it this way. I’ll steal your heart and transplant it on a non-sentient being and somehow it is now alive. Lets pretend your brain is hooked up to a machine that allows you live and interact with society. You want your heart to give you your body back but doing so would result in murdering the newly sentient being. The newly sentient being had nothing to do with its creation but killing it would now be murder. But it is also wrong that you have been robbed of your heart to bring to life another being.
And on the topic of the suicidal maniacs, they believe that to be one with Chthon is their equivalent of heaven (Avelline’s notes, Call to Blood). But while they still live, it is their mission to bring all living things back to their origin. I’d say its you who clings to our real world humanity that makes you empathize so much with the GD survivors. But within the context of the game and assuming all lore regarding Chthon is correct, the cults actions are justifiable.
For the record, if I was a survivor in GD, I would also resist giving my blood to Chthon. I’m gonna fight them with everything I got because I want to live.
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I was going to grant you some wishes for the first part but the second part made me want to re-consider my decision :rolleyes:
And btw, i’ve been calling it for a long while that Ultos and Mog could indeed be the same. Biggest hint imo is Mogdrogen’s Shoulders calling down Ultos’ Lightning
And now it seems more obvious why now Arkovian God came to help the Arkovians cause Ultos himself had seen that their people were doomed
I still want to kill the arrogant bastard though, i’d pay for a Mogdrogen the Wolf DLC to fight the real thing. I’ll kill that wolf bastard and throw a dog treat at his corpse:)
Well i am not completely sure that they are the same person. There is a connection i am convinced of that.
From the constellation lore:
Mogdrogen:
A titan created during the war of the gods, Mogdrogen has become the god of beasts and is said to roam the wild reaches of Cairn. Legends claim Mogdrogen is a shapeshifter, usually seen as a giant wolf but occasionally taking other forms, even that of a human. Mogdrogen roams the far reaches of Cairn, guarding the wilds against the encroachment of civilization.
Ultos:
Ultos was the lesser of his celestial brethren in Arkovian lore, but nevertheless remained a powerful symbol, for it was his rains that allowed the harvest to grow and his lightning that caused unspeakable destruction. Somewhat ironically given his status, Ultos is the only Arkovian god whose worship endured beyond the fall of the empire.
And also the thing Zantai said during a stream:
unless of course mogdrogen’s powers aren’t entirely natural…
Oh yeah you mentioned this
God damn it, i forgot about this
Well then i have no clue
Well the “lesser” part made me think that he was some sort of ascendant
True Mogdrogen states that he is a ascended.
However he also said that he was as old when the Erulan empire was just a few tribesmen. So the war of the gods took place way before Arkovia. So maybe he got it to borrow to fight in the war of the gods. Than he got rewarded for it but less strong. Maybe he was already a ascended before the war.
But he gained ascended status due to is reputation amongst the beasts and the rover correct?
No in a conversation with him, he says would you threaten a ascended. The question was he a ascended before the war of the gods, and what did he do to archieve that status.
From the devotion lore:
Ascendant beings have risen to godlike status through immense feats or reverence from their lessers.
Would this say the can archieve it on their own or due some god?
Its a great game played recently
So for anyone who didn’t watch Grava’s latest stream, he showed off some of the new common armour sets and said “there’s actually some spoilers in here”. Continue for possible spoilers. All pieces were either named “Preserver” or Redeemer" (i.e. “Preserver Hat” for the awesome fucking top hat in Misadventure #104) - new faction spoilers maybe? I can’t think of anything else that these common armours could reveal about the xpac.
Link to Misadventure #104’s top hat: http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showpost.php?p=443844&postcount=55
I wish they change Fist of the Blind Assassin
Seriously looks like a weird sex toy, plus it is called “fist”
So with the new Misadventures it definitely brought some really interesting lore.
I wonder why all 3 witch gods appeared infront of those witches and killed the majority of them. Couldn’t they spawned some Eldritched creatures to do that and why not kill all of them. Maybe they handled it themselves because it could threaten their power?
I think they were “summoned” there by the witches’ ritual, and uttering of magical incantations. Perhaps they unlocked a power they didnt know how worked. And because of that, the Three were summoned there against their will. And therefore, in their anger, they killed the majority of them. But let some live so they would know the power of the Three, and not do such a foolish thing again.
Obviously they were trying to give directions to the annual god tea party and their gps was not updated and caused an unfortunate series of events. 
Perhaps if they stay to long outside the Eldritch realm they lose power.
I also have a feeling, when we do meet some god that wants to kill us, that Mogdrogen might show up. He goes Clint Eastwood style and threaten them, so they just back off.
Mogdrogen doesn’t care about us. He’s even already stated that the Rhowari, his own people, are him to decide what to do with.
I think the three gods only appeared because the witches tried to ascend to the Eldritch Realm and they didn’t want to share their power with anyone or just jealously guard their secrets. That seems more in tune with their personalities.
Something else that I thought of when reading the new dev notes - This Rattosh could be what Uroboruuk spoke of. I have another feeling that what the witches were inadvertently trying to do was summon Rattosh instead of ascending to the eldritch realm, which was something the Three were probably already focused on.
If you look at the Attendant’s dialogues, he says that the Witch Gods attention is elsewhere. Perhaps they were focused on Rattosh.
Secondly, there’s also Uroboruuk’s notes tying into this - he says the details of this being were lost to him, until now - could chronologically tie into the witches trying to use the altar and this somehow awakening his memories. However since we’re unaware of the exact chronology of these events, it’s impossible to say.
Of course this is all just speculation, but I think Rattosh is a god, but what kind of god I’m not sure, perhaps an Eldritch god since the Three were the ones who appeared to stop the witches.
You don’t know who Rattosh is? It is said in the latest misadventures and in a previously one with more detailed info.
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53209
Oh wow, well I guess that throws that theory out the window. But if that’s the case then why would the Altar allow them access to the Eldritch realm. I’m not so sure that altar is what the dev update says, perhaps corrupted?