Or maybe Korvaak is Trigon! 
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A demon?! Korvaak is clearly an angel. 
I don’t think we should look at damage types regarding gods. They possess significant power and would be able to use any damage type they want.
Also war of the gods wasn’t team Empyrion vs team Ch’thon. The gods grew jealous of each others creations.
What interesting is the story about Dreeg. He peered though the veil and witnessed the truth of all things .Than his mortal form was punished by the other gods for that. Yet they let him sit in the eldritch realm. Than he let Bysmiel and Solael also ascend. Zantai hinted that Dreeg could let things happen for a purpose, a foreseeing sight. But the witch gods once did quarreled among themselves.
If I recall some misadventures correctly, some transmuter skills of the oathkeeper describe them pledging allegiance to dreeg.
that makes dreeg the only witch god affiliated with 2 masteries (occultist & oathkeeper). But FG is still in the works, so this could change in the future though. cmiiw.
You know, this got me thinking about Empyrion.
When you talk to The Messenger, there’s a question that says “What about Empyrion?” and The Messenger says “Gone! There is only Korvaak now”. Could it be that Empyrion was Korvaak’s other personality or vice versa, and that Korvaak is the one in control now?
However, existing lore sort of contradicts this, since it states that Empyrion was Chthon’s offspring, whereas Korvaak is a primordial god. It is possible that Korvaak consumed Empyrion however, through some unexplained means.
Also for some reason, Korvaak’s pictures in Korvaak’s tomb make him seem a lot similar in appearance to the Witch Gods, which is a bit weird since the Witch Gods are eldritch gods, whereas Korvaak is said to be primordial.
You remembered right. I was really hoping to be able to pledge allegiance to a variety of gods but I think that’s beyond the scope of the game engine.
I always interpreted the messenger’s statement as Korvaak being some kind of invader or usurper rather than alternate personality but who knows? Also, where did it say Korvaak was primordial? I missed that one and now his constellation is called “the Eldritch Sun” so I don’t think he’s supposed to be primordial anymore.
From a conversation with the messenger:
Korvaak who was when the world was not. Korvaak is eternal, infinite…Primordial…
That figures. It’s been a while since I sided with Kymon. And I wasn’t really thinking about it. I suppose it’s entirely possible for a god to eldritch and primordial.
One thing I often wondered about - what sort of magic do the Spirit Guides use? I mean, you get to talk to both Sadihna and the woman in Malmouth (forgot her name) who speaks about coming to the city to seek out magical energies. And we know Sadhina has mastery of rune magic - she trapped Valaxteria when she was using your body, and later similarly weakened the Aetherial Colossus that came through the portal to attack Devil’s Crossing. Given how Inquisitors and Necromancers as a class came from established NPCs, I do wonder if these people might be a precursor to something similar, of course given that Crate will ever make another mastery.
No, the Messenger actually says “Gone! There is only Korvaak!” - no “now”. Which to me means that Korvaak is a simple usurper. I mentioned in an earlier post how in D&D for example, the egyptian god Set started to stand in and receive the Yuan-Ti’s (snake people) prayers to their own deity, Seth, who was slumbering at the time. Frankly, the whole Empyrion thing is all Kymon’s doing. The Messenger tried to take over his mind, remember? He struck a deal and received this power he now shares with the other Chosen… but Kymon knew well enough he would be branded a heretic and did not get much following from the common folk if he just started worshipping a mysterious new god.
Btw, where do you have the info that Empyrion is Ch’thon’s offspring? I mean we assume all gods come from him, yes, but was it ever stated anywhere? As for Korvaak, the Messenger says he is Primordial, and we know (from the eye) that he once had a physical form, like Ravager.
Just for the record it is Allostria and not Valaxteria. 
That actually makes sense. I think the reason why he’s referred to as Primordial by the messenger is because, unlike the Aether realm, the Eldritch Realm has always existed i.e primordial. So Korvaak is basically a primordial god and an eldritch god, unlike The Witch Gods who are human ascendants who became Eldritch Gods, but somewhat false(from Mogdrogen’s statements) because they were not ascended by the gods but instead stole the power from the Eldritch Realm through their own unexplained machinations, except Dreeg, who was cursed to be the gatekeeper of the Eldritch Realm because he dared to see beyond the veil.
I think they also use Aether magic, or are members of a long forgotten sect of the Inquisitors who were disbanded years ago. There is one in Devil’s Crossing and one in the Coven. It makes sense to think that they used to belong to the Inquisitors because only the Inquisitors had access to various types of magic and rune warding etc, but since they do not outright call themselves Inquisitors and one of them is present in the Coven, it makes sense that they could be outcasts.
Well it does make more sense that he’s an usurper, rather than a split personality.
I think Empyrion is one of Chthon’s offspring because of The Spear of the Heavens constellation, where Empyrion destroyed Chthon’s body into several pieces. Why would Empyrion fight against Chthon on the side of his offspring unless he was one of their siblings. It absolutely could make sense that he was one of their servants but I sincerely doubt one of their servants could disintegrate Chthon’s body.
Also the text of the Dying God Constellation says “an elder god was betrayed by his children; his body torn apart” Torn Apart = Shattered into many pieces by Empyrion’s blade.
Furthermore, the text of the Light of Empyrion Constellation says “Empyrion, the greatest among the gods”, this would only serve to strengthen the belief that Empyrion led his sibling gods against Chthon, and if the gods were to be so fickle minded to fight against themselves not long after, they would not have chosen a non-sibling to lead them.
I actually don’t assume that all gods came from Chthon.
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For example, Yugol, is possibly a god, but could just be a primordial anti-life force, but it has a name, so it probably has some sentience, and it definitely did not come from Chthon because it would wipe out Chthon as well in it’s all consuming hunger. It’s possibly something like the Galactus of Grim Dawn, it just exists to counteract life and preserve the balance.
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Korvaak is probably also not from Chthon, since it’s stated he’s primordial, which means either he was born after Chthon was created/came to being or was around at approximately the same time.
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Almost every other entity is actually from Chthon, even if it isn’t directly stated so. Aetherials? Created by the Gods. Titans? Created by the Gods.
Weirdly enough Ulzaad is the Herald of Korvaak, but Titan seems to be a generic term that represents extremely powerful servants of the Gods, but it could just as easily have been something like the relationship between Morgoth and Sauron, i.e. Sauron was a lesser spirit of the gods and got corrupted by Morgoth sometime after his inception.
- To be honest I’m not entirely sure every god came into existence from Chthon, but if someone like Korvaak is not a descendant of Chthon then it follows that there could be other gods that were created solely because of existing forces, such as for example the Eldritch Realm or the Aether(although I think the Aether was created by the gods, since the Aetherials were their servants).
Primordial gods are all gods who existed prior the “death” of Ch’ton. Primordial status isn’t counter-exclusive to eldritch/chaos one, it’s merely a time frame.
I agree with Strigvir - primordial probably means all these gods are about the same “age”. I feel Ch’thon was simply the unlucky guy chosen to be sacrificed so the world and humans can be created from his remains. There are a LOT of similar creation myths, in some variants of the Norse myths too, a frost giant god was slain and the Earth created from his body parts, but there are African myths that are similar too. Of course, given that the other gods banded together against Ch’thon it is likely he was not a good god and maybe he had to be taken down and creating humanity from his blood was an accidental bonus?
What I do wonder about is Ulzuin… his constellation is primordial, so he was around for these events, but question is, then who betrayed him? Was it related to Ch’thon?
And as Mogdrogen is so dismissive of them, yeah, likely the Eldritch realm is not meant for mortals, but gods - that’s why he considers the witch gods usurpers. Oddly, he does not feel the same about the ascendant gods like Oleron.
Yeah that’s another Aetherial, a unique boss, I remember now…
Actually Oleron is considered a myth, if you read his constellation description he’s basically a rip-off of Kratos, who became an actual god so it’s more like homage to Kratos.
Gods like Menhir more often exist solely because the benefits they provide are more magical in nature, whereas for Oleron it’s more like enhanced battle prowess which you could simply get by just being an intelligent, battle-hardened warrior.
I disagree on your and Strigvir’s definition of primordial. I think primordial really just means that they were not created by other gods, they just came into being, just like ancient bacteria that came into being in the primordial soup of creation.
I think Chthon exists beyond good and evil. While most of his armies are terrifying and insane, you’d have to consider the fact that the guy basically got nearly killed and left to rot in the void by his own children(supposedly, and even so does it really matter if they were or not), he’s dying but can’t die because of his existential nature(he’s a force of life like Yugol is a force of death, supposedly), he has no release, hungers for his lost life that was taken from him, his creations are basically made from his image. Hard to really blame the guy, for whatever reason.
Ulzuin is an interesting character, who I think will make an appearance in Forgotten Gods, solely because of what Mogdrogen said about the blaze in the heart of Korvan Plateau, somehow I don’t feel that he meant that about Korvaak, although of course the names are very similar. There have been very obscure hints about who betrayed him, and he was actually not a very powerful god to begin with since he was just a god of ceremonies.
So a time frame, since the creation of secondary gods started after Ch’ton’s death.
I think he means that primordials spawn out of nothing, so one could just pop up right now, even though they don’t seem to be doing so. At least I don’t think they are, since it feels like there is a lot we don’t know about Cairn’s gods.
Btw, just finished Port Valbury with my newest character (a Pyromancer made to work with the Harbringer set), and while I hate that map (all the aetherfire, poisoned water and randomly moving aether whirlpools that seek you) I always read all the lore notes there, as I really like how you learn the story from all those notes.
So one thing I noticed is the letter from the Nightblade guy who tells his love to get out of the city… he implies the cost of her safety was “one last job” for some people… and then we read in the second note of the Mayor that he is meeting his old Nightblade agent as he has info on who have made attempts on his life… Ouch.
I did always like that you later meet Callia in the Coven, after reading her notes in Valbury where she somehow entered Aldritch’s mind. I do wonder if the Coven could spy on Aetherials this way - seems pretty useful.
IRL IMO, Primordial bacterial soup doesn’t seem like god to me, they’re just a creation. It will be quite interesting idea though for a fictional story.
I hope the occultists faction we’ll met in FG will appear in the fields battling the enemy just like black legion forces.
Crate missed opportunity there for the ugdenbog coven witches. their forces never appear to battle at least the ugdenbog beasts or cannibals.
Ugdenbog witches don’t have an army to do battles in the field.
The Coven doesn’t particularly care about Barrowholm’s activities, that is until the fetish was stolen. Besides that, they try to keep to themselves, and stay concealed from prying eyes.