You get it from a special new are in FG
Nice to see you around. Surprised to hear you weren’t the one who claimed first blood on Crate of Entertainment. 
As for the item, yeah I know where it is found now
Care to help me out understand if I missed any quests siding with Dreeg? The latest one was to track down someone who was corrupted by the Mind Raper. I need to do the playthrough on other difficulties with different factions so need to make sure I didn’t miss out on anything.
Hi Chthon, nice to see you here again!
As far as I remember the mentioned quest was the last quest from Dreeg’s cult except the mainline quests.
Greetings, always a pleasure to see some familiar faces. :D:D
That’s good to hear. Guess I’ll try out Solael’s faction next then. Thanks Strannik. Btw is it true that not even you Praets have figured out Z’s secret?
Never even tried. With the little time I’ve been having I preferred to use it trying out new builds and lots of feedback on retal for example during testing. I didn’t care much for for a wild goose chase:rolleyes: I haven’t done that quest still and probably won’t ever
I don’t think you missed anything. Each Faction gives you a different side quest.
You get different dialogue options with death vigil or kymon depending on who you join. If you join kymon and dialogue with Vigil members in FG area it’s pretty funny.
Not unless someone data mined it. And I don’t intend to
Now that you mention it you hadn’t even tried AoM secret quest cause of your PC crashes. Did you get a new rig finally? I can’t imagine FG testing especially SR testing would’ve been easy without new specs.
As for Kymon, I only have three Kymon’s Chosen characters and all three of them haven’t moved past killing Log on Ultimate. Probably should try them out this expac.
I doubt I will get to try too many builds anytime soon so I am focusing only one plot and secrets.
Well, if Menhir and Vire are embodiments of Cairn then it could be that the Aetherial invasion and corruption of the world left them in a weakened state. Like imagine being down with a nasty fever.
As for Oleron, maybe he finally went mad and is now only concerned with his skull collection for his skull throne…
Oh yes i got a new rig months ago. Thought you already knew. FG forced me. cpu would crash in Korvan town.
I can do shit now!!! lol. Playing DS3 and Sekiro also
We’ll talk more about plot if you want after you you finish everything
The Ch’thonians who were after the same thing as Uroboruuk, got whiped out by Uroboruuk.
As for the gods, we don’t know how many are left after the war of the gods.
I need a timeline on this. The arkovian worshiped Vire, so the war of the gods happend after the arkovian fall, in wich case we (as mankind) somehow survived without much noticing (so far the only thing we noticed around that time… was the arkovian fall, wich is completely unrelated), or the war of the gods happend before, and she was well and wake during the arkovian empire.
I bet this was discussed before, but i missed and i think is worth revisiting with the new content at hand: Given the absurd amount of overlaping between gods, im starting to feel that there is some sort of “reverse syncretism” of the gods, where the same entity gets different versions according to interpretation and politics of the culture. I don’t see any particular difference between Vire and Menhir, and moreover, i don’t see any difference between Ulthos and Mogdrogen, specially because Ulthos seems to be only one still worshiped from the arkovian pantheon, while it was Mogdrogen who founded the rhowari by picking his Moses from the arkovian throne. As far as i can tell, there is no reference of Mogdrogen in arkovian-related lore, neither constellations, items, or codex entry. And given the stupid amount of lightning he does when fightning him (far more prevalent than the negligle summons), is safe to assume that he is somewhat related to lightning and storms, wich seems odds because thats exactly the role (and looks) of Ulthos.
So… assuming that Mogdrogen and Ulthos are the same guy. I think is safe to assume Menhir, Symon (Solemn Watcher) and Vire are as well, and we might be missing something in the middle that connects the methaphorical and literal dots (aka stars) we have. I, for instance, could buy the idea that Yugol and Chton are the same. Their intent and demeanor towards existance seems the same (both want it to swallow it all), and both seems to originate in their objective at the same time: with Empyreon’s light. Just look at the loghorean. Is basicly a baby Yugol, and the the entire Necropolis is infested with totally-not-hentai tentacles.
What im trying to say is: probably there are less gods than we think (wich makes sense, how many “First One” can be? It was either Yugol or Chton,unless they are the same), and it takes just a few more appearences to complete the album (Ulgrim could totally be Oleron, for example, despite the lack of reference, the dude fought Loghorrean for days in the void for fuck’s sake).
Remember: the war of the gods caused the imprissionment of the Aetherials, so it happend way before the arkovian fall (mages already existed in that era, there is no way such cataclysm would go unnoticed). In fact, the war of the gods happend just before the banishment of Korvaak and the ascencion of the Three. Something is clearly missing.
Mmmmh, I must confess, I tried to link deities one with another, like this crazy idea that Korvaak and Empyrion were two sides of the same divinity. In the end, it depends what source you’re relying on. Lore notes are interesting but biaised by the views of their authors. I myself prefer to found my understanding on Cairn’s cosmology through the Devotion map, because it seems like it has no clear author and would be just a deciphering of what exists, a way to give meaning to the way the stars are arranged.
In any case, there are two points that make me think that all these divinities are different ones :
- first, Empyrion and Korvaak’s case. Only a few divinities with different aspects is interesting, but when applied to these two, it doesn’t work at all when we look at their servants. As was pointed before, Archon Barthollem is a typical armored light guy, no eldritch corruption, no malformation. You could argue that Korvaak was deceptive, but really, when you see what he’s done to the Chosen, his subtility seems to have some limits, to the point where he can’t keep the deception up after a point. And the Archon seems like a legit Empyrion follower, when you talk to him.
- second, the Affinities in the Devotion chart. Now, it is a bit speculative, but the constellations affinities seem to represent the present states of the divinities, and not be just a mechanical aspect of the game. There are three strong arguments in the favor of this hypothesis :
- Ch’thon, blue and red, a primordial thrown into the void
- Oleron, a known Ascendant, is purple, an yellow is for the physical aspect of his powers
- Korvaak, blue and green, the only known primordial that harnessed the power of the eldritch
Now, it is my theory that Vire is the primordial that represents Cairn’s physical existence, and that’s why she’s both blue and purple. Blue is Primordial, the divine power that exists outside creation. Purple is Ascendancy, the divine power that comes from creation, and more specifically, from the physical plane. As such, she already manifests herself by the fact that humans have a ground to stand on.
As for Menhir, blue and yellow would make him an original primordal, much like Empyrion and Ishtak, and I don’t see them being directly involved into Cairn’s affaires, but rather granting a few favors, sending a few messengers, and being overall quite distant about the whole Cairn thing.
Also wanted to thank you, BB_Shockwave, for these info, I’d missed the new Kymon’s deserteurs, and I feel their inclusion is a really nice touch that wraps up things nicely, and yes, the Bloodsworn are indeed the ones you spared in Act 6 (which kinda bothers me since I spared them and cannot farm the Gardian boss now for his helmet legendary MI now, damn). Would be nice to know if the Boss is present even if you don’t pick Bysmiel as your ally, because if not, then it means that you need two requirements for the Gardian boss to spawn : spare the bloodborns AND chose Bysmiel.
@ Ch’hton : and yes, it means you can’t purge the Bastion of the last Korvaak believer, but I think it was just impossible to write things that way because FG’s timeline can happen at any point from after the end of Act 1 to after the end of AoM, so it would have been a nightmare to rewrite all the options into the existing scenario of the Chosen being allied for the assault on the Loghorrean.
I overall feel like Crate’s writing has done a great job, given the constraints.
that still doesn’t explain the similarities between Mogdrogen and Ulthos. And were aren’t speculating on that one. We see (and even fight) the actual guy. Doesn’t add up. In fact, if you go by his constellation, his fight should be completely different. There is also the fact that he created the Rhowari in the arkovian era, coincidentally with the persistance of Ulthos, who is the only still worshiped. How is that possible if the only arkovians left are the rhowari, and they sided with Mogdrogen?
We know for a fact that Empyreon and Korvaak are different gods. First because Mogdrogen says so. Second because Korvaak himself says so. But the rest are silent, and unless there is some double identity involved somewhere, some events don’t make sense.
It could be that Mogdrogen was already a ascended, but became a titan during the war of the gods.
I believe Arkovia existed during the war of the gods. Perhaps the gods had some battles against each other, some time after the war.
Who is to say that Ultos didn’t create Mogdrogen or had a hand in his ascension?
at the very least, becasue even in his legendary shoulders appears Ultos. However, the Rhowari still don’t mention him anywere, while Mogdrogen is recurrent, and viceversa.
Mogdrogen probably has his own plans. I recall the Ravager note mentioned that the spirits of the wild once teamed up to take down Mogdrogen (forgot the reason). Sure Ravager seemed like a raging lunatic but looking at the plot of the Forgotten Gods it wouldn’t be far fetched to assume that the Ravager was once “docile” and turned vile after Mog struck him down in battle the first time.
It is very well possible that Mogdrogen took advantage of Uro’s action to let the Arkovians to fall into ruins and thereby cutting Ultos and the rest of the Arkovians from their fuel source.
I think the mention of Ultos on Mog’s shoulders has more to do with the generic description of the Lightning Bolt proc than implying a direct link between both.
After a first playthrough of the xpac, for some reason, I put together that Solael and Ulzuim are one and the same (maybe because they both play with fire?).
I’m sure I’m missing notes but this is my speculation:
-Ulzuim was ascended by Korvaak for good boy points. He was always brash, unruly and just a general pain in the ass (but that’s demigods for you).
-Dreeg gets noticibly pissed off at Korvaak for turning him into an unholy abomination but ascending Ulzuim into a superman - so he throws a bone at Bysmiel on how to breach the Eldrich realm.
-Solael gets seduced by Bysmiel as part of the plan, gets betrayed but manages a hail mary pass at the last second ensuring a cosmic mexican standoff between Bysmiel, Dreeg and himself.
-The three of them put the wool over the eyes of Korvaak (with 2 demigods working on the inside against Korvaak) and strike.
-“Ulzuim” gets so distraught from being betrayed that he exiles himself to the unknown - when in reality he did the betraying only changing the story to suit his needs.
The reason why I think Ulzuim is Solael was quite a silly one: I found notes on Dreeg and Bysmiel but none on Solael as a person before ascending - only Ulzuim. And secondly, because the guardan at the ruined enclave mentions that Solael and Bysmiel were lovers at some point but tried to backstab one another at every chance they got.
So, is there any confirmation from the lore that Ulzuim and Solael are not one and the same? Or any notes on Solael’s past life or any remarks of a bloodthirsty warlord that was ascended?
I’m sorry but no. Korvaak mentions in the last note “where is Ulzuin?” and he also remembers how a sorcerer(Solael) and a priestess(Bysmiel) “dethroned” him. Bysmiel seduced Ulzuin so she could send him far away from his master, while her and Solael defeated Korvaak.
What a shame. Anyways, are there any lore notes on Solael before the ascension?