I believe The Korvan Elegy speaks of Solael while he was still a sorcerer.
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82923
I’m not sure if this should be here or I had to create an another topic.
I gotta be honest I didn’t read too many lore notes till I killed Korvaak. Until then I was under the impression Ulzuin caught Korvaak and Bysmiel engaging in some hardcore BDSM play. You know with the chains, that big mask, those big magical seals…and that event got to be known as Ulzuin’s betrayal
Turned out the truth was much tamer than that. Still confused by a point Mauricius raised earlier. How on earth did those three manage to take down a primordial when it took the finest arcanists on Cairn to seal of Log.
Assuming the two humans were at the same level as Ulgrim even then they would have been crushed by Korvaak. Ulgrim was left a broken man after fighting Log. I doubt someone like him or even two of him could take down Korvaak. I am leaving Dreeg out of the equation because Dreeg likely had the strength to atleast damage Korvaak. Those two I am still clueless about.
Btw, I keep reading about how Dreeg deemed it necessary to take down Korvaak. Anyone got the names of said notes?
Korvaak is fodder used by the devs to explain the cosmic elements in GD. The entire expac is related to the side quests you do in the base game for the Kymon/Order factions. I very much doubt he will become a major player in the future.
I’d say Empyrion and Chthon are the big hitters. As for the boss of the aetherials I am guessing it is Empyrion. Considering how empyrion was on the loosing side during the War of Gods. It is very likely he similar to his brother decided to take refuge in the Aether similar to how his brother decided to take refuge in the eldritch realm. I base this on SoTH having Aether affinity.
As for the the other Gods assuming most of the Gods were on the winning side it is likely they’ve been turned into fodder to feed some Chthonic being. Which is why I say only Chthon and Empyrion are the big hitters as both are the driving force behind the major antagonists of the game.
The only being that will not be a major looming threat but likely would serve as the final boss is Yugol. Not related to the political BS of the Gods, not related to any shitty schemes. It craves just one thing and that is life. It is likely towards the end we would be asked to make a choice to keep this thing at bay as I doubt it can be truly killed.
I believe that Korvaak was awfully weakened after the War of Gods. That’s why he left Ulzuin in charge of defending him, because he was basically helpless and Ulzuin,as a demigod, could’ve proven more than a challenge to the Three hence the reason Bysmiel lured him away.
Now, a god’s power/lifeforce comes from the amount of worshipers he has. We know that, the volcanic eruptions actually came from Korvaak’s wounds. Even 1 wound by the Three could’ve meant a decimation in his worshiper numbers thus making him even weaker.
I tend to believe more and more that Lokarr is Ulzuin. We know he served Korvaak, he knows of Ulzuin’s betrayal, he’s using fire and we know Bysmiel sent him far away. I dunno, where is the Crucible located? because I think it’s somewhere “far away”
Yup, Korvaak was heavily wounded, you can read it in the Primordial ramblings lore note, he confirms it himself. As for the future Witch Gods, well, Dreeg was already an ascended, and he was impressed by the raw power and determination of the sorcerer Solael and the cunning and dangerousness of the priestess Bysmiel, all three togetehr were definitly more powerful than all the best yet unnamed arcanists of Cairn. Also much stronger than Ulgrim.
Interesting theory about Lokarr/Ulzuin, by the way.
Mmmh, now that I think about it, could it be that Ulgrim is in fact represented by a constellation? What about the Assassin, or Nadaan? He uses Nightblade techniques, after all.
I tried reading through the threads up to FG release but did not see this answered, or even speculated. But the history is MASSIVE, I could have missed it… Is there any good theory what really happens during fight with Korvaak’s manifestation?
We find him chained in front of three thrones which glow with colors that corresponding to individual witch gods - red solael, blue bysmiel, yellow-green dreeg. Then we fight, he “dies” and says “you have no idea what is coming”. Two of his hands get bound by Solael, another two by Bysmiel, and green symbol below him suggests Dreeg is doing something too (which means Mogdrogen in ancient grove is right, without WG’s help, player wouldn’t be able to do much against Korvaak). But then… everything disappears. The thrones stop glowing, some debris falls off them, and we hear a voice that says “Regrettable, but balance must be maintained.”.
Who is saying that?? It’s definitely not Korvaak. Some elder god that finally decides to step in and put each of them to their corner like a small brats? I was under impression that if any elder gods are left, they have other business than to care about what happens on Cairn. If it was their peer, he wouldn’t be able to deal with them that easily. Or one of the witch gods? That scene could mean they are binding him and taking him somewhere far enough so that no worship may reach him and give him enough strength to rise again. The weak point is they would be “far enough” too, and would be loosing strength the same way. And what balance could any of the WG speak about? Their intention is “Korvaak remains powerless forever, usurpers retain their power”. That’s no balance I think.
Neither theory is too good, but I can’t come up with anything better.
Ugh, for me it sounded like those are the voices of the WGs. I dunno, that’s how it sounded to me among the tens of special efects and runes kalastor/hagarrad exploding 
Balance yes. Because now the power is divided into 3 none of which to be able to act without the other 2s consent, instead of belonging to 1 tyrant doing what he wishes (that’s what Korvaak was)
I think that is part of the secret quest on ultimate.
Btw, Carmac’s notes mentions that he heard about people going inside the sandworms in the Freaman desert - that is reference to Dune and the Fremen.
Also surprised that there were no Chthonians camps in the dessert. I thought they too were trying to investigate the same thing Uro was trying to.
As I mentioned above, you meet some of them in the Temple of Ateph, but only if you are not allied with Bysmiel.
Many lore notes, including Korvaak’s own writings and that of his priests, confirm the gods have gone silent at one point in the past. Gone were the days when they walked among their creation. Likely the greater (primordial) gods have suffered greatly in the war of the gods, and they are still recuperating, or as Korvaak said, have been driven mad by the void and are lost somewhere. This has happened a long time ago, since the Arkovian gods were already silent when Uroboruuk cursed their people, and they did nothing to save them.
Dude, it is Mind REAPER. The other version would have been a bit… raunchy even for a game called GRIM Dawn.
I think you find a “High Priest’s missive” or something like that in one of the Korvan City temples which describes how ever since Korvaak returned he has been holed up in the Eldritch realm and does not show his face again. Basically this confirms the war of the gods (where Korvaak was hurt badly) happened while he was still worshiped.
I am surprised it was them, didn’t they even give you their bloodsworn robes? Also they were about to be eaten by Lunal’Valgoth, y’d think they would have learned NOT to summon another Ch’thonian.
What Guardian do you mean? The Oppressor boss? He did not drop anything for me. Or you mean if you attack the Bloodsworn instead of sparing them, they drop something?
But you misunderstood me, they show up only if you DO NOT chose Bysmiel. If you go there with Solael or Dreeg alliance, there is no quest for you to bind the Spawn of Ateph (a giant gargoyle). If you chose Bysmiel, this is the quest you get on Honored. Instead of the Oppressor you face two named Preserver statues and a Stone Gryphon boss. Then you bind Ateph and he shows up in the Korvan City later battling Chosen.
Mogdrogen is a Titan, aka a lesser god created by a Primordial. In his case, he was created by Ultos, same way as for example Zeus created Pallas Athene. He can use Ultos’ lightning because he is granted this power. The shoulder he drops even confirms this since it mentions the Lightning Bolt power comes from Ultos: https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/11205
They are also pretty close to each other in constellations, but Ultos is Primordial with a touch of Eldritch+Chaos, while Mogdrogen is Ascendant.
We have seen when facing Korvaak that he can create Ascendants too - both Kymon and those other Chosen turned into his Champions are basically minor versions of that.
Unrelated to your cult selection. 
Hmm, so if I do the quest, then go back again in a new session, the Ch’thonian Oppressor will be there again instead of the quest bosses?
I really dunno where you got that from… Sorry but you couldn’t be more wrong. Solael was a human sorcerer, lot of lore notes refer to him simply as “the sorcerer”. I guess you missed one of the Korvan Eulogy notes in the Tomb of the Eldritch Sun? Both levels have 2 - 2 hidden side tombs where you will find 4 notes. 3 about the witch gods, one about Korvaak. Solael was mentioned by name taking up residence in Korvan City and poking his nose into temple business and being generally unrespectful. The high priest who wrote the note ultimately decided he could be trouble and ordered his assassination -we now of course that did not succeed.
Basically Dreeg was the one who got the three together, while he peered into the Eldritch Realm like earlier lore notes said, he did not get his powers as a god from that - he was just cursed and turned into a guardian and servant. He saw the opportunity arise with Korvaak weakened and gathered allies for binding him and stealing his realm.
I can just confirm that if you release the Bloodsworns in Act 6, then you fight the Oppressor boss in the Altar of Apesh. Since Z stated it is not linked to Cult choice, then I wager you only face the Guardian (stone statue) IF you don’t save the Bloodborns.
Given the fact that these two events are linked, it’s not unreasonable to think that the Bloodsworn you freed were in fact above redemption, and the notes you find on the bloodsworn corpses in the Altar seem to confirm this.
Hmm, could be then that I faced the stone guardians because I went there with a lower level character before doing Ashes of Malmouth.
I chose Bysmiel with my 100th level Conjurer who freed the Bloodsworn in all playthroughs, will let you know what I find there if I get there.
Then it’d look like an ironic insult to Kovaak, who shows his face in Crucible challenge.
Yeah, the Witch Gods doesn’t kill Korvaak by any means guys, they bind him, which isn’t totally the same thing as Ulgrim battling the Loghorrean through various planes.
Lokarr calls Ulzuin’s betrayal a pathetic display, so it is likely he is not referring to himself.
The reason we, just a powerful human, could defeat Korvaak is that he was just starting to break his bonds - his shackles and mask are still on him and he gets rid of them during phases of the fight, after all. He used to have a whole nation worshiping him, now this was reduced to a small group of fanatics. So yeah, what the Three have done was a larger feat than what we did now.
Which makes me wonder why they could not face him this time. Maybe he somehow ejected them from the Eldritch Realm?
And I think the voice speaking when he is banished is Draellus aka Dreeg.
Why did the three masters og the cult of the Three disappear after you defeat Korvaak?
It is because they are none other than Dreeg, Solael and Bysmiel
i suspect thats because they actually WERE the Three. Each of them matched their respective description, and while everybody was saying that “they won’t come, but they are watching and stuff…”, that was just a divertion. They were there. It wouldn’t make sense to NOT be there (just like Menhir and Vire 
). The Three knew they were dealing with the crapiest crap of all the craps that could possible go after them. Even Chton or the aetherials aren’t such a big deal, since they can hide in their pocket dimentions. But Korvaak would 100% go after them. The eldritch realm wasn’t safe against Korvaak, so was either kill or be killed.
This is why they said that FG sounds more like a TQ than like a GD. All of this gods stuff and relegation of Aetherials / Chthonics to the background. You know.