Next Thing Discussion

[Gnomish_Inquisition]

@jadeite

some way to convert Devastation’s fire damage to lightning

Coerced Wraith - Items - Grim Dawn Item Database

@jadeite

Prevent Manticor Eyes from Treasure Troves. They were a scarce ressource years ago but now I have more eyes than Aether Crystals or Ugdenblooms, considering they are only needed in a few items.

yea no, this would be way out of line
manticore eyes have the least farm source, you can’t trade them/transmute them, and i repeatedly see beginners complaint about needing them/farming Mogara for ages to get them

@DenisMashutikov

lightning Fervor

that would just make it be Savagery then?

[afanasenkov26]

@Gnomish_Inquisition

literally awesome for 0cd stormbox build

it could’ve been a thing if one had some ADctH mod to Box, either on helm, or on Allagast (or, you know, any other means of sustain on an almost spammable skill with 0 wd and ll)
for now it’s just super-clucky and, I believe, not very safe gameplay.

@jadeite

Some Legendaries like the Eye of Dominion don’t have a mythical version.

this item tbh seems long lost and forgotten indeed.

[jadeite]

That changes Aether to Lightning, not Fire to Lightning. It’s also on the same slot as the Scion of Celestial Portents.

[Gnomish_Inquisition]

@jadeite

not Fire to Lightning

check the global conversion, it does 40-60% global conversion
and it’s the “intended” way of doing lightning devas i reckon
wanting to still get it while using portents is then a player choice/greedy?, making you require other items - which seems kinda strange if you wanna do lightning devas in the first place? *since XY devas type is generally a focused/“dedicated” itemization path

[jadeite]

It would become a pure lightning build instead of an aether/lightning build. Which would probably be quite strong and make the Scion rather pointless (since there’s you no longer deal Aether damage if you use Chain Lightning instead of Aether Lightning).

[Gnomish_Inquisition]

ye like, i don’t know what your goals are for your build
but when it comes to devas, most items allude to “if you want to use devas or convert it you need this or that item or no dice”, or for Aetherstorm jewellery/Arcane Tempest , devs firmly rejected our past feedback to make it more easily incorporated into builds by offering better global conversion slots, since you’d need like 3-4 very specific items to convert either aether to lightning or lightning to aether, being all the more bothersome if you then had an actual centre for your build, like Celestial portents, or Lightning devas offhand trying to get full global fire lightning conversion on top
basically celestial portents blocks “lots” of non wind devil oriented stuff
*looks like that post has been archived/i’m guessing it was in XY patch playtest section and not regular feedback section

edit. looks like i mixed up portents offhand with codex of eternal storms i was tihnking, that’s the wind devil lives forever offhand

[medea_fleecestealer]

A post was split to a new topic: Possible thing for GD2

[mad_lee]

All right all right all right, no more general complaints, let’s stick to the script.

Pierce AAR feels extremely underwhelming

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I tried to squeeze out every bit of damage out of it and it’s still super sloggish, around 5 minutes in Crucible. I realize that it’s not supposed to be on par with Aether or Fire AAR, but I think it could be just a little bit better. The tooltip by the way is 31-33k Pierce, which is pretty high compared to for example Fire AAR build that I made recently (that has 29-30k Fire but around 6-7k burn). Of course Fire AAR got higher QoL (less buttons to press) and a lot of procs, but in the end difference in Crucible performance is almost a staggering 1 minute.

What are the Pierce AAR main problems?

• Zero support outside of Conduit. Pierce has no scepters/daggers, all its weapons have low damage % and no casting speed. Of course no casting speed or AAR/Disintegration points anywhere.
• No dots
• Forced to use items with no %damage when Pierce damage values are already lower than other damage types.

Possible solutions?

• Give most common pierce caster weapons some casting speed. I am talking about Oathbearer/Bloodborer pistols. There is nothing else pierce casters can really use.
• Increase damage on Pierce AAR Conduit. Right now it’s not cutting it.
• Add adtch to the conduit so we can use Pierce off-hand

[Zantai]

@afanasenkov26

a bit more ‘bout affixes.
Draining - 3-6% energy burn. I don’t know if this drops at all or is just a relic but it is ABSOLUTELY useless.
Nullifying - another nigh useless one, as disrupt res can be fixed by other means and trading a whole prefix only for it is moo much of a luxury.
Sapping - 2-5% reduction to enemies’ health in a game where most enemies are nigh immune to it? Sure, gimme two.
Resolute - same as nyllifying, stun res can be acquired thru multiple ways.
Imprevious and Resistant - mostly the same affixes, unnecessarily bloating the affix pool.

Are you guys scouring GrimTools for old relics that don’t exist anymore to delete?

[afanasenkov26]

@Zantai

Are you guys scouring GrimTools for old relics that don’t exist anymore to delete?

[Zantai]

@krell_154

Are we not discussing the mysterious wording (“next thing”) because we are not interested or because we know the Z-man is just trolling us?

What? It’s the next thing, that we’re working on.

@The_Coyote

One option to keep the “blooted affixes” would be a drastic reduction of the individual probabilities for these affixes (so that the sum over the probabilities would be equal to another affixes).

Those prefixes are already pooled together in one rare bucket. Even though there’s dozens of them, they have very little impact on the drop rate of other affixes.

[Gnomish_Inquisition]

@Zantai

Those prefixes are already pooled together in one rare bucket. Even though there’s dozens of them, they have very little impact on the drop rate of other affixes

i’m assuming that’s class prefix “bucket” for jewellery? - because my experience with caster weaps/daggers/sceptres it’s “bucket”/frequency is what lead to the “frustration” (massive) bloat sense, atleast imo

[DenisMashutikov]

@Gnomish_Inquisition

that would just make it be Savagery then?

Sure, next time when i want play warlord, i’ll invest in savagery.

The problem is that you have a lightning set that supports the fire skill and if I’m not against bi-damage skills, then for most it’s far from meta.

[Retal_Abuser]

@afanasenkov26

Venom

Of venom doesn’t exist anymore

[afanasenkov26]

@Retal_Abuser

Of venom doesn’t exist anymore

good for it, I guess

[medea_fleecestealer]

A post was split to a new topic: New Conduit Ideas

[Dioarchet]

@Ceno

Impervious/Resistant (Magic Prefixes) dilute the affix pool too heavily.

I like the one with pierce + poison res but yeah the other ones generally disappoint me.

[Jabarto]

Can you nerf Sapros the Corrupter alrrady? -60% resists is gamebreaking, no idea how you missed that for so long

[Gnomish_Inquisition]

@Jabarto

Sapros the Corrupter

who Grim Dawn Monster Database?

[Norzan]

https://tq-db.net/en/equipment/sapros-the-corrupter

Completely busted mace from Titan Quest because you can reduce the resistance to life reduction in that game. Meaning you can use that mace to reduce that resistance and then use skills with life reduction to basically delete bosses in like two seconds.