There is a pretty massive gap between that gold standard and Wind Devil for the RR function. One can be placed on the second hotbar as a toggle buff, and the other consumes two buttons on your active hotbar (both requiring regular presses to fulfil the RR function).
Why such a big gap to perform such a staple function? I think the average person would bear with the hindrance but consider this to be irritating.
If devils can at least behave on par with Guardians I would not have any complaint, but as it is pet attack needs to be pressed quite a bit more often.
I’ve already cleared this up. There’s a number of different playstyles and ways to apply RR that appeal to different people. You insist on forcing what you like on this skill when even you yourself have pointed out that other playstyles exist.
Not Wind Devil. Some devotions that binded to WD(without maelstrom) require to spamming pet attack button to proc it often as it should. Like Eye of Korvaak. On the other hand WD can easily proc elemental storm as fast as it can. And have you tried shifting sands or eye of korvaak with GoE? It’s better than binding your main attack skill lol. Using WD is much more disadvantaged than GoE.
Blade Spirits and the Oathkeeper spirits are extremely similar in concept to Wind Devil, the latter was made permanent within recent memory and the latter were permanent to begin with. I don’t know why you’re making such a flagrantly bad faith take on the OP when it clearly hasn’t been a problem for you before.
He basically said “recasting this pseudo pet thing every 5 seconds is annoying and puts me off using the skill” and you act like he’s complaining about ever having to cast anything at all. It was a hyperbolic response to a pretty cogent and calmly stated thought.
Incidentally I am curious as to what niche you’re intending for Wind Devils. The current implementation would make sense for something like the Corpse Fiend, where they have on-death effects that justify and even encourage tossing them out as fast as you can throw them, but Wind Devils don’t have that. They just…drift around in a really passive way until they expire.
I personally never used pet attack button on Devils. Yes passive aura is the best way to apply RR but don’t forget Devils can deal some great amounts of damage and Maelstrom is separate skill, which can apply DoT damage. Devils are completely different animal.
I agree if you use them purely for RR, QoL isn’t high but there different skill, which have it’s perks as well. And actually in early game Devils applied only flat RR, later was made into - % .
I’m surprised by Zentai’s cold reaction/opinion to player feedback & responses.
The idea of needing to spam a skill out of combat, to engage at full strength, feels more like micromanagement. That does not enhance fluid play. Just like dealing with the constant cast animation and shuddering effect of maintaining the skill between combats.
The skill itself lags in use, its lack luster in the cast, so why is there so much focus on it? Just because it got redesigned, does not mean it’s a quality solution, or that more can come of it.
If using an auto-cast toggle macro is the only way to use the skill with minimal inputs, perhaps it warrants a re-look into it.
While I think there were some great ideas posted you still have to remember that those are just ideas. You should not have the expectation that your ideas will be implemented. I am sure they think about it. But in the end its Crates game so they decide.
Also I think Zantai made a very important statement.
I think there are a lot of games that made all their skills or classes more and more similar to one another. Probably makes it a lot easier to balance and also those games become more accessible. But the depths and variety are one of those things we love about Grim Dawn, are they not?
Once again, the point I made earlier is being completely glossed over and taken as a “cold reaction”.
I perfectly understand that some here do not like Wind Devils and wish to push their preferences upon the skill. My point was, and still is, that everybody is making the same argument: that casting the skill is mandatory to “engage at full strength”, which is for various reasons “not fun” to you.
My point stands that any skill that’s part of your rotation to do damage is “mandatory” and I brought up very similar abilities that are spammed or cast on short cooldown to do full damage because, um, they are your sources of damage. If you are not casting your core abilities, you’re not doing damage, that’s common sense. Wind Devils are a core of the Shaman skillset and thus part of the rotation.
Wind Devils are very versatile in that they can be repositioned unlike many abilities that remain where you cast them until the cooldown is up and you can put them somewhere else (ex. Sigil and Devastation). I get that some don’t like that degree of micromanagement, but that is one of their features and advantages. On top of that, Wind Devils already last nearly 3x their cooldown (that ratio goes up with any cooldown reduction which realistically most builds using Wind Devils will have).
Some of you do not like this form of play, and that is perfectly fine, but that is not justification for a redesign or cramming in 10 transmuters on every skill until everybody has the playstyle they like on every ability.
I’ve already pointed out, and ironically several of you in here have pointed out, abilities that work the way you want, so playstyles you enjoy clearly exist within the game.
I don’t mind Wind Devils that much but I would like to see them get at least more movement speed if there is to be no permanency.
On the other hand the worst RR skill in the whole game by far is the Devouring Swarm. And that really needs to be redisgned before the game is finished. I would suggest to make it like Bloody Pox. In current state I refuse to use this skill and play builds that need it.
“Glossed over” Crate may want to rethink how their employees passive aggressively attack their fan base. People may “gloss over” their next expansion or product. Just saying… you represent your company poorly with your snarky remarks.
As for the skill, i just skip it. Benchmark dps has never been my thing. My preference has always been the campaign…
I think someone touched on why Wind Devil feels different. I’d compare it to Reap Spirit which has some instant gratification when you cast it. Somehow being a pet makes it feel different than a death circle. Maybe it’s because there’s not as much decision going into where you cast it. Not sure if everyone feels that way, but I’ve noticed it.
Though perhaps a more helpful suggestion would be an MI that adds seconds to how long Wind Devils last that people can use if they don’t want to cast it as often. I know there’s a set you can get, but having another option would be good too.
Personally, I don’t mind the recasting per se, but I’d like to do it a little less often with the Shaman I’m leveling. Or if they had a little initial punch or something but that’s a bigger change and I’m not sure how to make that good.
Oh and more movement speed would be nice like someone said. Again, Reap Spirit also avoids this problem.
