I agree with this. If a set is overperforming, nerfing the base skill is not the solution.
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Is it specifically just the set or do the other assorted skill modifiers sourced from other items play a part here?
+pharma + rare affixes + setting up temp skills beforehand)
Not that I mind. And not that this isnāt a great run anyway. But when posting results that serve as benchmarks and influence the community to push for balance changes (and the devs to make those changes) some forthrightness would be nice.
Credits to other builders who dabbled in it would also be nice. Itās supposed to be a community after all. But whatever.
Also, what most people donāt realize, whatās really op about this is Stormfire. In crucible, it allows to bypass most aggro bugs saving even 30 seconds or more (by shooting at the spawn zones) at the same time providing free AoE sustain.
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Heres the next one on the chopping block 
But seriously iāve yet to see a motar build in multiplayer.
ahhhhhh Iām on my half way with this build and pyran got nerf in 1142 
does the nerf affect this build a lot? or is this build still strong?
any modifications?
Thanks for the help!
I donāt think itās anything game-breaking. Just a little lower damage but more health regen? If i remember correct.
I think pyran got removed +1 summon limit to mortar, or something like that. Is this minor change that doesnāt affect the overall performance of the build?
Iām pretty noob on build making so Iām not sure, but I think -1 mortar is pretty critical?
Pure nerficide! 
Rgarding the summon limit nerf on mortars nerfs: didnāt Nandiās old Pyran build (the one you improved on, later) work almost as good without +1Mortar conduit as it did with one?
Or is Pyran just a #DeadBuild, now? 
L.M.A.O.
So this was that mysterious āadjusted modifiers on the set and replaced them (not nerfed!!!) with other modifiers (which arenāt useless at all!)ā from the changelog?
I donāt really remember how many Mortars full Pyran had. I gave up on it after the first round of nerfs. It was hardly playable even before all the nerfs. I tried it once after maybe after the 3rd and before the 4th round of nerfs, died 5 times in 5 runs and said goodbye.
But the nerfs went onā¦ Pure nerficide based on singled out results by a top player (who used all the tricks in the book - greens, top rolls, setting up mortars beforehand, expert speedrun grind, etc. - to get a better time).
Nothingās dead till itās dead. Is Cronley unkillable? Duh! It steamrolls EKKETāZUL himself on Elite
EDIT: Yeah, just checked, -1 mortar.
Do you think the added health regen might help? Or is it just a drop in the ocean?
IIRC my Pyran had like 500/1.4k when I made it. Now it hasā¦ mindblowing 600/1.6k. You can live with 4 Mortars and get that other conduit, max Vindictive and itās 1.3k/2.8k, but why? Still glass with even smaller a cannonā¦
True nerf was Stormfire here. From 60% wpn dmg to 40% means if you had 16% adcth now you need 25% for the same sustain. But with maxed Vindictive, Ulzuin Wrath should be good for heals. On this setup Iād drop BwC completely (since it already has Elemental Storm) and max Vindictive line.
Yeahā¦ I still like your suggestion of adding better regen/AdctH to Vindictive Flame for that btw!
Maybe if we just whine about it loud enough they might do sth about this?
Did this build still can do around 5 min crucible and SR 75 ? after the nerfs ?
Update 1.1.4.2 GT Bis: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/eVLnYePN
GT Option without greens: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/dVbnAzYV
150-170 (3+1) 4m 45s:
Yes, video from above
WoW, so Pyran is still pretty much the fastest build in the game?
Itās still with pharma, Nery.
I wonder whatās the real performance of the build without pharma and not impossible greens.
I see all this pharma but wonder how much it affects the time? Plus I donāt know how quick pilot is Alex. So thatās I am wondering if Pyran is the quickest build.