Anatomy of a seed

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000F6F600FF - medium - this is the base test seed.

Hello, I’m posting the results of further seed observation, expanding on the previous post.

This is speculation based on observation. No code was de-compiled.

The structure
[00] - [0F6F] - [6] - [00] - [FF]
[A]----[B]--------[C]—[D]—[E]

A: Perlin noise minor: aka bumpiness. 00 = smooth terrain, FF = bumpy terrain. The effect is fairly minor but it can create or remove land bridges to your island or create some mineral spawn points on a flat map.

B: The seed. 16x16x16x16 = 65,536 possible perlin noise maps.

C: The biome. 1=Plains, 2=Lakes, 3=Alpine, 4=Arid, 6=Ideal. 0 seems to create a hidden biome that seems to be somewhere between plains and arid so I’ll call it the Dustbowl. 5 creates a hidden biome that might be called the Badlands. it has no fertility and all plant and animal resources are replaced with mineral resources. Any number higher than 6 gets set to 6 when you press enter on the seed or start the game, so all values higher than 6 are functionally 6.

The map is mostly the same across biomes, but there does seem to be some modification:

Dustbowl: modifies A and E. Reduces water level and bumpiness.
Plains: modifies A a lot. Things are much more smoothed than usual.
Lakes: modifies E a bit. The world is a bit more flooded than usual.
Alpine: modifies A and E. The world is bumpier and the water level is lower.
Arid: modifies A and E. Reduces water level and raises bumpiness.
Badlands: modifies E. Reduces water level a lot.
Ideal: no modifications, this was the baseline.

D: Perlin noise major: This value steps the perlin noise animation forward or backward. On this map, the mountain seems to be moving along the horizantal (X) axis, but it may be on both axis and it just happens that this time the mountain moves east-west. For a visual example, click here. To understand how the motion works click here.

E: Sea Level: FF = a flooded world, 00 = a dry world, 77 = an average world. these would be the dark areas of the perlin noise animation while the mountains would be the light areas.

So, the tldr is A, the first two digits, will help to get minerals or add/remove land bridges (at the cost of ease of building) and E (the 8th and 9th) will move terrain features. the 8th will move them a lot (16 steps per digit) while the 9th will nudge them (1 step per digit). the same is true for the last two digits, E, water level.

The example seed is a modified version of the second seed found here. If you move the mountain +120 steps using D you’ll get a nice turtle island similar to the original post but smoother. You can adjust it so that the entrance to the island is on the east side instead of the north side leading directly to vast riches just past the choke point. So you have a challenge with a reward if you’ve been following along. can you create that seed? (hint, don’t move the mountain out of reach).

Understanding hex
a single hex digit is 16 characters: [0123456789ABCDEF] but they are often used in pairs. the hex value of a color might be [5D] [78] [1F] or R,G,B (red, green, blue) with each pair offering 256 possible values. If you take the non-hex normal number 10 and change it to 20, you’ve increased the value by 10, In the same way, if you take the hex number B0 and change it to C0, you’ve increased the value by 16. changing B0 to B1 increases the value by 1 as usual. changing BB to BC also increases the value by 1. Finally, changing 5F to 60 is also an increase of 1.
hex [00] = 0 and hex [FF] = 255.

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The results: An excellent turtle island seed with a protected mountain full of goodies: 00002625FFF (large).

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77002625EFF - moved the mountain NW a bit and increased the bumpiness by 50%. resulted in more available land, a few swamps, more forest with decreased fertility. the choke point is now further south and slightly more difficult to defend (but still very much a choke point). mountain resources didn’t change much.

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Aaaargh! I am so confused, I cannot read this alien language. :confused:

From what you’ve written here, it sounds like it’s a 4D Perlin noise implementation, where the first three dimensions are the actual map overlay, and the fourth dimension is time that’s scrubbed along using what you marked as the “Perlin noise major” parameter. Does that sound correct?

The other question I have is whether what you called the “Perlin noise minor”, a term I haven’t found in any of the Perlin noise explainers I’ve read, is just an amplitude modifier. Is it that, or is it a modifier on the smoothing function?

(Also, out of curiosity, have you confirmed this by code-diving, or do you just figure Perlin noise is a reasonable choice of algorithm? In practice, it doesn’t really matter, but I’m curious.)

No code diving, just observation. I chose perlin because perlin functions are built-in to most dev environments. It’s fully possible that a different noise type is in play though. For A, amplitude is another way to put it, yes. It’s also possible that it’s just a smoothing function as you mention. not sure of the exact method, but FF = bumpy and 00 = smooth.

B seems to generate the map, presumably by converting the 4 hex digits to an integer seed, while D scrubs it. I’ve been able to reliably move mountains in a few seeds now. I can’t control the direction, of course, but the mountain steps forward or backward in the same way a typical noise animation does.

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FF0F6F470FF (medium) - A variation of the test seed for the vanquisher/arid highlands achievement. dual choke point enables some sneaky strategies, like a pincer.

FF0F6F471FF (medium) - A slightly different variation that has a less strategic choke point, but has small mineral deposits scattered all over the island (that can become deep with enough map restarting).

77002645EFC (large) - Edit: Pasted in the wrong seed in the previous edit. this seed offers a large arid highland island with 2 choke points. the south west mountain choke point can be terraformed to close it entirely or to build a tower-defense style fortress.

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So “Badlands” is a special type of map like Plains, Arid highland…

Maybe this is a type of map with a slightly higher difficulty than Arid Highlands

There was a topic on this forum before about a high difficulty map called “waste land”. Maybe it is a map

I just wonder why the devs don’t allow visual selection like other types of maps. Or do they want it to be a hidden feature and challenge players to explore?

removing all plants and animals makes it a puzzle game instead of a city builder. you’d likely have to do very specific things at very specific times to get any kind of decent foothold established. I’m guessing they decided not to make it a puzzle game just yet. maybe in a future expansion?

You can sort of do that already with the Custom Setting.

As for wasteland here’s the thread about that one.

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