[1.1.8.1] Physical Retaliation Warlord (3 builds, EoR included) -> Crucible 4:30-4:55/ SR 105-110/ Ravager 0:48-1:12 + Callagadra 0:54-1:33 + Crate boss facetank/ 75-76 farmer / Bonus SR 135 video with tank setup

1.1.9.0 Note - Do not worry, retal was not killed. Stoneguard is very strong still. For setups using Beronath sword - change weapon for it: https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/12555 and take Octavius armor for conversion and no Beronath penalty.

Hello, I’ve decided to update my old retaliation warlord for more all-round setup - previous one was only for SR pushing. Often I read a lot of myths about retaliation warlord how slow he is which is absolutely not true. It’s very fast, easy to play farmer who is either immortal and can handle every possible content in the game.

Edit1: Stoneguard setup added, it’s fastest retaliation I have ever posted, only superbosses a little bit under Witchblade because of lack of Fevered Rage. Sorry for this trash post formatting, I’m going to learn how to make it better.

Current setups are: High elemental->physical conversion and Stoneguard. I’ve got a plan to add more builds there in time. Builds that probably will be added:

  1. No-set with Avenger amulet.
  2. Sentinel of the three physical.

Builds that maaaybe I will add:

  1. EoR physical.
  2. Uber-tank for SR120+.
  3. Some acid variations?

1.Conversion setup -> 4:50 CR/ 110 SR/ Ravager 57 sec + Callagadra 1:03min + Crate facetank

Summary

Build:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/aZqxEq4V

Do not be afraid of greens, it’s BIS setup and a lot of slots can be cheaper. Other possibilities in expensive slots:

Helmet - Callagadra is best, finish everything else if you don’t have her helmet and kill her on elite. Anything can be used before - like Okaloth and many more.

Rings - instead of Ring of Sethris Creeping Ring with multiresistances + OA is very good choice. You can use even two of them.

Shield - Overlord’s of thorns/of Wildfire is absolutely best but you can use Mythical Final Stop, Mythical Zolhan’s Revenge, Defender of the Three in particular order.

Boots - Stormbearers, Stormtitan Treads, Stonetreaders, Golemborn Greaves, Footpads of the Grey Magi.

Belt - Ugdenbog Girdle with any multiresistanes + OA can be changed for Mythical Hammerfall Girdle or Reforged chains of Oleron - I do not suggest it, rare belt is enough easy to farm.

Medal - Again, I do suggest to farm some rare multiresistances + OA mods but another good variation is: Mythical Serenir’s Commendation, Mythical Markovian’s Stratagem, Mark of Stone Will.

Relic - Honor is not only BiS but it’s just unbalanced, this burst is insane and you can see it in every video (including celestials). Absolution can be used but it’s huge damage lose.

Performance
Crucible 4:50 with 2+4 setup. From my experiences only banners matter. I had same result with 1+4 or 0+4 - build is so immortal it can handle everything without troubles without buffs. Lightning pylons are important to kill white monsters. I had many 4:5x runs, usually it’s around 5 min.

https://youtu.be/dMKVb4W6KMY

SR 110

https://youtu.be/oczMC4I4sXw

Ravager 57 seconds

https://youtu.be/xo-RFAE4xIo

Callagadra 1:03

https://youtu.be/dZ-m88RLUaE

Crate boss facetanked

https://youtu.be/0Ag2Npe_05E

SR 80 all bosses pulled

https://youtu.be/lxS384YPxEw

2 Stoneguard setup -> 4:30 CR/ 110 SR/ Ravager 48 sec + Callagadra 54 sec + Crate 38 sec

Summary

Build:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/YZem8opZ

As in first build: do not be afraid of greens, it’s BIS setup and a lot of slots can be cheaper. Other possibilities in expensive slots:

Helmet - Callagadra is best, finish everything else if you don’t have her helmet and kill her on elite. Another choice with basically same DPS potential is Octavius or Targo helmet because of conversion. Problem is +1 soldier skills lose, that’s why Cally is better (a little bit only).

Armor - Octavius is gamebreaker in this case due to conversion. I’ve tested Armor of Azragor or Gildor’s Guard but it’s DPS lose. Viable choices ofcourse if you have no Octavius.

Rings - instead of Ring of Sethris Creeping Ring with multiresistances + OA is very good choice. You can use even two of them.

Shield - Overlord’s of thorns/of Wildfire is absolutely best but you can use Mythical Final Stop, Mythical Zolhan’s Revenge, Defender of the Three in particular order.

Boots - Stormbearers, Stormtitan Treads, Stonetreaders, Golemborn Greaves, Footpads of the Grey Magi.

Shoulders - these rare shoulders even without retaliation mods (just resistances + OA as usually) are better than anything else due to conversion. Another choices are: Targo’s Shoulderguard and Spellscoruge Vanguard.

Medal - Again, I do suggest to farm some rare multiresistances + OA mods but another good variation is: Mythical Serenir’s Commendation, Mythical Markovian’s Stratagem, Mark of Stone Will. Problem is OA, for superbosses high value is really needed and Stoneguard got troubles with it.

Relic - Honor is not only BiS but it’s just unbalanced, this burst is insane and you can see it in every video (including celestials). Absolution can be used but it’s huge damage lose.

Performance
Crucible 4:30 with new founded banner setup: 3x pylon + 3lvl vanguard. 0-2 buffs recommended, depends of how much currency want to be spended. If you take 1 buff go for Ulo due to CC resistances, good for Moosilauke. It has potential to go 4:20 or lower in my hands with good RNG, I’m not used much to this new setup.

https://youtu.be/5JpPJ3HPWzw

SR 110 with Zantarin cheese (Overguard, works like Mirror), could be easier with DA stacking but I wanted to do that with Crucible setup.

https://youtu.be/G5uBctzWMJg

Ravager 48 seconds - block potions not for survivality but for proccing on block skills.

https://youtu.be/EPXp0QFr8Dg

Callagadra 54 seconds - as above, block potions for proccing. Stoneguard is best one for celestial bosses because of massive armor boost.

https://youtu.be/Pa13IlwgJSw

Crate boss facetanked in around 38 seconds and no offensive pharma. World record was 35 seconds with Dark One Ritualist (as far as I know at least) which is nerfed hard now. Looks like Retals are best Crate killers in contrast to popular opinion.

https://youtu.be/P2KAR1FtCas

SR 80 all bosses pulled

https://youtu.be/tzAl45bogcc

170ex naked 5:56

https://youtu.be/XldgqbHEni0

Mogdrogen 1:40

https://youtu.be/FUMEGidFAUU

3 Spin2Win setup - 4:55 CR/ 105 SR/ Ravager 1:12 + Callagadra 1:33 + Crate

Summary

Build:
BiS setup -> https://www.grimtools.com/calc/M2gmMWYZ
Less greens setup -> https://www.grimtools.com/calc/nZoQ5Wk2

Performance:

Crucible 4:55 with 1+4 setup (average some low 5s)

https://youtu.be/tg9P_BItmXs

SR 105 - on 110 few enemies are too hard, leech is worse than on RF builds so it’s harder

https://youtu.be/lxqnhw7Z5qE

Ravager 1:12

https://youtu.be/JCw6oUlYyW4

Callagadra 1:33 - hard fight without tweaking setup for her

https://youtu.be/-1lnVnLmagQ

Crate under 1 minute

https://youtu.be/HNVyNqg8urY

SR 80 all bosses pulled

https://youtu.be/WYboILulbvU

SR 135 Tank (do not follow really until you want to do the same)

Summary

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/b28mPByV

https://youtu.be/VT-NJJM-Uw8

1.1.5.1 old tank for sr pushing

Summary

Hello, I want to make little presentation how powerful warlord in SR is (especially if you farm for some rares to cover resistances). I don’t consider this guide because we have enough of it but some small group of people who likes tanks like me may like it - devotion route and not using stoneguard set made good job here.

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/YNnb0DyN

Iron maiden’s shoulderguard became good choice after new patch because buffs to rares (especially +phys resistances on every nemesis shoulders) but it can be changed for Dawnguard epaulets with basically same effect.

I went without stoneguard set because we need +max resistances after 105 shard, stacking armor into the air is not so good because main threat is from everyone but no hard meele hitters. In 115 video I had even -20% armor mutator and it wasn’t a problem. With this scaling armor will matter maybe after 125? - but it’s not realistic to go so high so better to focus on maximum resistances. Next advantage is that you can use some gear swapping for belt - altough I didn’t do it because this setup is made allround already. Tested only White Lotus vs Kaisan but he is alt + f4 after 110 so no point to do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M4JA0Rh_As

Example video with 3 decent bosses + 1 hard (Moosilauke) I am noob at recording (that’s my first video) so no sound, put some music you like or something if you want to watch it, I suggest 2x speed too, 115 shard is not really dynamic.

RNG starts to matter a little after 105, after 110 I needed really good run, had to restart few times because of Kaisan or Kubacabra going as first boss.

If you want to follow build I suggest to farm good rares, rings drop during ugdenblooms runs in act 5 and shield can be farmed from MI vendor in Steelcap district, only Overlord prefix should be enough. Some greenless build for 75-76 farm as bonus:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/xZyn8AeN

Regards

Some bonus for our immortality presentation:
https://youtu.be/lXNzYUOW0Vg

Crate can be killed even in 2-3 min but RNG is needed because his suicide boxes which SOMETIMES can kill us, sadly I didn’t record this attempt and couldn’t do it again so a little bit tryharding here.

Pure facetank kill with Vire devotion instead of Empyrion:
https://youtu.be/Q_HFlZhdsbs

“one-shotters” maggots from same quest:
https://youtu.be/KM9avEFCHgA

Callagadra killed with fists only (no shield ofcourse) because why not? Some special setup altough.
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/pZrMQpOV
https://youtu.be/TLuNFary-80

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115 in SR, something for the gourmets! :yum:

I am always amazed by the necessary patience to get that deep. Assume that new waystones helps with this task.

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Patience is definitely needed, I couldn’t handle more than one fail run per day, fun started after 110. Wanted to go for 120 (it’s realistic) but rng matters here too hard already and I need some break from this snail-fiesta.

New waystones are great, game crashes can’t beat me anymore :sweat_smile:

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Which enemies you find tough from 100 up? Shattered enemies, especially Anasteria or Nemesis? I haven’t played 85+ but maybe because I got infuriated with deaths and leave SR run for good :smile:

So:
Kaisan - around 105 shard he can be kited if pulled as last but later he is run-screwer because of his crystals and some kind of retaliation (?), white lotus belt can’t help here.

Zantarin - his skeletons hits hard, whole fight is basically charge with vire and mobility rune through them and hitting him for few seconds before he spawn next wave.

Moosilauke - he can one shot near the crystals, that’s why I was kiting him so carefuly in the video.

Alexander - must be kited from his crystals too because some strange one shots after 110.

Kubacabra - so defensive setup can’t kill him after 110 so it’s alt + f4 or going all points into cunning + assassin’s mark instead of ghoul or something, then it’s possible to kite him.

Theodin Maurin - boss who forced me to go for 3.6k DA :sweat_smile:

Basically it, Anasteria is not so hard but fight is long and must be played carefully, Grava’thul is one of the easiest bosses too even on smaller map if you know his nullify range.

I got beef with Maggots mostly. After 95 each one of them hits like a nemesis. And the new 3 Loghorreans stage where the new purple mobs spawn.

Imo the “sane” SR range is 75-80 for average builds and 80-90 for the tankier ones. Below that it’s too easy. After that it’s too unbalanced - just freaking RNG and praying for no one-shots or alt+f4 situations. 100+ is pets and mega tanks only, and Kuba is usually alt+f4. Unbalanced af. Enemies should never be immortal no matter the scaling.

SR could’ve been so great. It’s still a mess, imo.

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This is interesting to see.

Your list of worst enemies is pretty different from my pet build experience.

  • Zantarin is the easiest for me by far.

  • Aleksander goes from being the second hardest nemesis (behind Kaisan) to being the easiest of the AoM nems around SR 110 (at the point where Grava can start to 1-shot me sometimes and I can no longer face-tank Kuba and Reaper).

  • Moosilauke is pretty much equal with Benn’Jahr and Fabius to me (all 3 are harder than Iron Maiden).

  • Theodin is pretty easy for me since he maintains agro on the pets pretty well.

  • Sentinel is only possible for me on Lava map, and only because of his weird leashing.

  • Alkamir starts to become unbearable after 110

  • Gargaban is worse than Kaisan.

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Congratulations! share for 115.
indeed as u said if nemesis combination is not very powerful will little easy for deep
and I’d like to share my friend Retal Walord vedio to exchange experience
SR 111 - 1
SR 111 - 2

also Team coordination is very Interesting


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@ya1 I agree with your “sane” range opinion, every archetype should be considered more inividually, but thats normal for infinite scaling mode. It’s impossible to full balance it but some enemies should be toned down in realms. Like Kuba because not he is hard but he heals too much and Kaisan - his crystals range is simply too high, like 1/3 of conclave boss room?? Either he has one of the longest vision range so kiting him is just impossible if he is not pulled as last boss. Destroying his crystals doesn’t work, they are too tanky and they can kill you very fast so no point to even target them. Personally I like SR in current state, I threat it more like personal challenge so I don’t mind rng, I can fish for good runs with new waystones till I make my goal.

@sigatrev your pet list is very similar to my pet list too :grinning: Range characters struggle with some other bosses than melee but still Kaisan is hell. I forgot about Gargaban too, for this retal I would put him in “moosilauke tier”, tactic is the same - bait his volcano, kite him away, charge him with cooldowns off, kill his plants during midfight if possible, they hit harder than him. Either Gazer “superboss” (similar to Zantarin) and Seeker (longer than whole boss room and 2 other chunks ffs). I didn’t fight 3x Loggy here so I don’t know about him, he seems has some low spawn chance for me.

@Duskdeep86 thank you, I’m viewier of your friend’s channel, was testing some of his devotion ideas too :grinning: I think he can reach 115 easier if going for Light of Empyrion instead of Vire and investing into DA more, after 110 there are too many one shots and overall damage reduction > only physical during War cry window. Pulling bosses with camera can help with some rng boss rush too (I’m doing it in video, after boss position “spread buff” it became almost necessary in highest levels to “cheat” rng…) but it’s personal preference, not everyone like this trick. Personally I don’t like it only in 75-76 builds, good farmer should be able to fight all bosses or at least 2 of them.

Added crate boss video and short description and maggots for fun, everything in OP :grinning:

Blacksmith bonuses?

One question:
I see grimtool stating “physic resist 81%”. That thing is NOT CAPPED at 80% ??

@adoomgod 2x freeze resistances or 1x freeze resistance (high roll) + increses armor should be okay. It’s important to have very high freeze res because Moosilauke is one of the hardest bosses high sr and some gameplay mistake + being freezed longer can kill us.

@klasperstanze Yes, you can overcap physical resistances if you have item with +maximum ALL resistances.

Thanks. This build is perfect for my four horsemen of the apocalypse. Your build plus the SR sorcerer canister bomb + ghol ritualist + a support deceiver are going to be my group attempt at deep SR dives.

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That’s very nice to hear that my two builds will be used in your team! Good luck and I am waiting for the results.

Edit: I think you can be interested in this retal setup too:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/0V0X3AXV

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av76801286?p=1

More offensive setup, this guy reached 115 but his game crashed (reffering to chinese forum).

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Thanks, more offensive setup might work well since kill times can help take pressure off the team.

As I understand correct, you use 100% shield block + procs and lifesteal to recover health bar so fast?

Yes, our heal mechanics are good acdth (seal of blades + 4% ghoul) especially with counterstrike (the more enemies the more we are healing) and Menhrir’s Will + ghoul proc + Dryad (great defensive devotion, core of high defensive retal wl).

你这是要害 颠倒被砍了 :)

I seen your videos in SR, but what you do, if all 4 nemesis agro on you? in SR over 100? Just quit and re-made again? Or there is a way to split them?

I reached by my Retaliation Commando SR94 but was forced to quit, when all 4 foes attacked me, too much damage and resist reduction, not shure if I have a chance to beat all 4…