After trying the new formatting I realized one thing. I was told that you could search inside the collapsed “details” tag, and it’s technically true. But when you use forum search you basically only get the post as a result - the one who uses a search has no way of determining which builds got a skill of interest. And browser search just straight up ignores collapsed details tags.
Basically, hiding stuff behind details tag makes one of the traditional functions of the compendium (searching by skill) defunct. And since details tag was the reason for the new formatting, it makes the whole change pointless.
Because of that we’ll be reverting to the formatting 100% visually identical to the old one. Sorry for the brief confusion. My bad, should’ve had predicted it.
What happened to the updated gear-tags? I can swear I read something along the lines of what mad_lee proposed a few days ago here on the first page of the compendium along with the submission template (that had build descriptions inside “details” which you discovered can not be searchable
I temporarily cut out the whole thing since I didn’t had the time to fix it in a way that there were no contradictions. It’s going to be back once things are sorted out.
If you want a preview then here, no problem. It’s mostly based on your’s and lee’s suggestions.
[Gear tag] - replace it with [G1] to [G5] depending on the gear dependancy of the submitted build. Guidelines:
[G1] – builds heavily based around faction gear and random green items. MI’s are budget-only. You can separately submit G1 builds into Beginner Build section of the compendium, if you want to.
[G2] – builds based around large quantity of epic items, epic sets, decent non-MI double-rares and target-farmable legendary sets like Krieg, Dark One and Vanquisher. MI’s are budget-only. Use this whenever calling a build G1 or G3 would be a stretch. Using any random drop legendary item puts the build into at least G3.
[G3] – builds based around legendary items, possibly with epics and easy to obtain greens mixed in (ideally no green at all). MI’s are completely forbidden. Things like double-rare Stoneplate Boots with specific affixes are forbidden as well.
[G4] – builds that use at least one MI that is not budget (and that includes double-rare Stoneplate Boots with specific affixes), or builds that use any number of budget MI but could not qualify as G2 due to using random drop legendaries.
[G5] – builds that use more that one non-budget MI.
A budget MI is something you could target-farm in campaign in 2-6 hours.
Good start, but there’s a few things I’m unclear about. G3 completely forbids MI but not, say, random-drop legendary sets? Why would a full legendary set qualify for a lower gear rating than a MI with unspecified affixes? One step above, G4 specifies “at least 1 non-budget MI”, but where do builds with both legendary items and “budget MIs” fall?
On G3 - it’s a tradition that stems from the no-green-in-builds crusade back ago, after which many builders had just adopted a no-MI as a golden standard. I’m not going to change that.
Builds with both legendaries and budget MI’s go into G4, the G4 description mentions that.
All of the submissions since the last time veretragna added builds and till now were added to compendium.
I respectfully disagree. I have no evidence that it is misleading for new players, while you insist on that as if it is a well-known fact or something easily deduced.
I do agree that looking at the transition upwards from G1 to G5 it seems logical to allow budget or even semi-budget MI’s to G3, BUT:
It is the most popular gear tag, most builds in the compendium are g3. This shows that builders love this particular rule set. Here’s the rare case when I prioritize opinion of renownd builders over newcomers.
I don’t want to go down the rabbit hole of arbitry over what counts as budget and/or semi-budget. The way gear tags are nested now makes it much more easier. A build uses at least one random drop legendary? G3. What, it has a MI too? Welcome to G4 then. Are there two or more MI’s that are a bit too convenient? Here’s a G5 for you.
TBH you won’t see beginners complaining about the tags being misleading even if it truly is, because most beginners just don’t make posts, they probably don’t even create forum accounts. I created my own account just to report a bug.
But I understand that there are different needs and it is hard to fit all of them in just one tier system.
Questions about SR tag: can I write SR+ if I cleared SR 75 with that build just once no matter how many times I failed, or does it need to be able to clear SR 75 consistently (e.g. has a success probability >= 80% or something)? Do I need to clear in time?
Active Skills: Phantasmal Blades, Olexra’s Flash Freeze, Mirror of Ereoctes, Ring of Steel, Nullification, Displacement, Pneumatic Burst
Passive Skills: Veil of Shadow, Star Pact, Maiven’s Sphere of Protection, Seal of Might x2, Iskandra’s Elemental Exchange, Blade Spirit, Summon Nemesis
Active Skills: Phantasmal Blades, Trozan’s Sky Shard, Mirror of Ereoctes, Ring of Steel, Nullification, Displacement, Pneumatic Burst, Shadow Strike, Chillspikes
Passive Skills: Veil of Shadow, Star Pact, Maiven’s Sphere of Protection, Seal of Might, Iskandra’s Elemental Exchange
Active Skills: Phantasmal Blades, Olexra’s Flash Freeze, Mirror of Ereoctes, Ring of Steel, Nullification, Displacement, Pneumatic Burst
Passive Skills: Veil of Shadow, Star Pact, Maiven’s Sphere of Protection, Seal of Might x2, Iskandra’s Elemental Exchange, Blade Spirit, Summon Nemesis
